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well hello my people how's everyone doing today
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wow lots of people in here already hello
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so it's been a quite interesting 24 hours i would say
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um if can you guys hear like cars passing and stuff if you can i'll shut the
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window the birds are chirping and everything and i just kind of like it
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it's really nice here it's like 65 but now the dogs are barking so i might have to shut the window
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um yeah so i i you know i think uh overall we've got
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a lot of you know a lot of clarity with um this
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video uh or this interview rather with jose um i think he did a wonderful job
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of explaining how summer was because i don't think we
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ever i think he did a really good job of explaining her character
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thank you susan 85 there joyce wow
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um nice very nice um so what um i have been talking to
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jose all day um you know he
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he felt he feels really good about um the interview um
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he will be back uh doing another interview very soon this time he will be doing it with his
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face um so you know the people out there who has
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been saying oh it's not the real jose this kind of thing but also
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um ally uh andrew [Music]
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um i think even candace said that it was the real jose
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we did a we made sure it was the real jose
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um yeah so um
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yeah that we have contacted he has he's talked to fbi he's talked to tbi
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we have talked uh you know we've sent everything it's uh
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just one of those things so what i thought we could do is i'm not going to be here five hours like i was
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yesterday but i always say that i am so who knows
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i will slow chat in just a moment i i have to i'm just going to play my video uh here first and then um
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we will i'll slow it down i promise
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thank you guys so much um if i could get
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um icu to come up
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uh maybe lori davis and kim that would be great and we will start out with watching the
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video and then i you know and then we'll play it and pause it a little bit and then we'll discuss what
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our thoughts are i would like to hear your thoughts you know our thoughts up here on panel
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um oh thank you dear thank you theresa
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bless you sweetheart appreciate it thank you for being here today thank you all for being here
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um yeah so if uh i see you
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kim in dallas and maybe lori davis [Music] heidi can come up
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that would be good anybody can actually come up if they
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they want as long as they're respectful but they have to show their face in the uh
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back in the back part of the chat hi amanda thank you welcome
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let's see here uh yes ricky uh one of the uh
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mods can put my yaya sisterhood urgent read your text
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okay hi lori hey
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how's everybody doing good how are you dear i'm doing well
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good i see you hi icu hi icu
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hi how are y'all good how are you doing i'm doing good still running on
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adrenaline yeah i bet you guys did such a wonderful job really
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thank you i'm gonna tell you guys it was it was literally months to find
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jose because he was
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hello fibro hi how are you hi kim hi heidi i got a shower
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hello everyone thank you thank you uh thank you
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uh yaya appreciate it thank you patty and pink i really
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appreciate your super sticker welcome and uh
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i don't know how you pronounce that ddd shaw great job
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thank you so much welcome appreciate it all right so um
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what i would like to do i would like to play um yesterday and then
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we'll just kind of stop and i want to hear i really want to hear the
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the channels or the you know people in chat their you know their commentary
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um whether you feel that he was you know did you feel like he was being truthful
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did you feel like he was not being truthful what is your opinion on all of this um heidi by the way i don't get your
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text i don't understand what you mean or maybe i looked at the wrong text i don't know um
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oh yes so thank you all so much for being here i'm going to slow it i promise you in just one minute
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um so if you guys could go ahead and mute your oh sorry do you want me just to
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tell you straight up here hold on no don't okay i'll text you again
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hi chris hey justin how are you honey
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good how are you good good um good i really think um
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yeah i mean i i think he for the most part i feel like he was
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truthful and i think that
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it you know kitty man i think you hit the nail on the head uh right there uh
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which chat's going so fast i can't see it you could you could hear the compassion
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and you know he hasn't you know has a lot of regrets and that's really hard to live with
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you know um my dad used to say it's too late to say uh-oh
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you know what i mean which means you know don't second-guess yourself
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when you feel that inner feeling that we're supposed to feel so if everybody could mute i would
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appreciate it and then we'll get started
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or you believe something you please put in my opinion or allegedly in the chat
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because um a lot of people can take things as fact and that is also how
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misinformation can get out and we don't want that because there's been enough in this case
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so jose how are you doing today
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night um um doing okay yeah good um
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yeah you're uh you're a hard one to track down i
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literally was you know i had mental problems and i just went on to you know get myself back
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together again yeah yeah um so jose uh can you tell uh us um
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how you uh like how did you get down to tennessee
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what led you down there how long would you stay in tennessee um and just the the general
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concept you know i'll get the floor to you right now okay so
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basically i was going through a real bad divorce and um
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i basically had a psychotic break and um i was staying with a friend of mine that
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actually was going to move down to tennessee and
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i wind up going with them to go down there and um where we were supposed to stay the place
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had fell through we didn't really have anywhere to stay and
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my friend was you know his uh children's mother had lived down
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there and she had a friend that basically had a room and no one wanted to stay there but
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because of what i was going through i decided to just stay in tennessee and i wound up renting
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the room from uh candace and they were great to me you know they
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were actually real nice they helped me out you know and um
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so i was basically staying with them i was almost there a good six months
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living there okay
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just a question how many of you guys in chat whenever we started
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you know whenever we heard about uh jose being there how many of you thought that
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he was just staying for i like i just thought he was there for like a week or two i never knew he was there for six
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months to me the way that they made it sound it made it sound like
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you know he was just there for three seconds you know what i'm not literally but you know what i mean like
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just just a minute anybody comment
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okay let's see
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approximately when did you uh uh was you in tennessee staying with the
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wells to approximately when did you leave
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[Music] this would be maybe i believe it was
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february or march i remember it was uh winter time but we wound up going down there and
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i left like a little bit almost before we were touching fall
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you could say okay okay
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um okay go ahead with your story you're fine uh
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so i was staying with them at the time and they was uh
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helping me at the time uh donnie wasn't in the residence at that time he was
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actually in utah at that time and i was renting from candice uh
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she was there with her mother as well um and her four children
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uh well not her four because uh josie actually wasn't there either josie was with uh
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dottie wells in uh utah okay so in the house it was basically uh
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wayland wyatt and summer in the house and um
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so while i was staying there a lot of things have transpired while i
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was there you know i guess um they all liked me in the sense of
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relationships wise you know they found i was cute or whatever but at the time because of what i was going
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through i really didn't want to hook up with no relationships i do i was just
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trying to get myself together you know having severe nightmares and things like
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that and um so while i was there i could remember
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the first time i initially walked into the home that we were coming up
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i do want to say that i'm allegedly uh i believe at least uh ali did a
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little bit of an interview this morning and she says that uh the reason
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her and candace got into it was
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um because basically candace was all over hunter
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if you understand what i mean and that she has stated this morning
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that she had rece i don't know how recent it was or anything
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that she has filed charges against candace allegedly but we still don't know
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uh but she said they're just dragging their feet more or less so
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yeah so we'll you know that should be very interesting to
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you know to see yes uh guys keep it classy if you can't say anything nice don't say it at all
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we are adults we can verbalize our opinions
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uh without being rude or mean or anything like that
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hello mountain girl how are you hey how are you good how are you chris
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i'm good again i felt good fell off okay gotcha uh how are you
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you doing okay mountain girl i am i actually did not know that you were doing a second part until i was
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finishing my life a little while ago and somebody had chimed in purple nights and said
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that you were going live and i'm like what i'm like i have to hurry up and get off so i can watch
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okay um yeah i would uh absolutely i would like to
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definitely come to uh support your channel as well if yeah one of the
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mods will put mountain girls uh link in the uh chat i would
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appreciate it so um we're just offering commentary on the video i just kind of pause it every
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so often and you guys can join in the conversation uh i'd like to hear all of your thoughts
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and opinions okay um but while uh the video is playing if
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you don't mind muting it um i'm gonna jump down and help chat
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okay okay i'm gonna probably mods a few more people okay thank you okay
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i'm gonna go down too okay
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the driveway how to get up there their lawn was like oh
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like if you was in another state they probably would have got fired for the way that lawn was because how tall it
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was you know lawnmower was sitting there you know the kids didn't really have much play area
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also at the time i also found out there was a poisonous snake um lurking around
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in the yard you know they had a beehive hidden under the lawn by the driveway
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it was pretty bad i found all these things out after i mowed that lawn for them so the kids could play
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i remember the first time i initially walked in through the door i was pretty much shocked at what i saw
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because as you entered you know you see mattresses on the floor
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and blankets were thrown all over the place and you know uh tv was in a certain
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particular corner with movies piled up and then as you entered through another door you
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got to the kitchen area and truly it was
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disgusting dishes piled up looked like it hadn't been washed in weeks
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uh roaches all over the place um i remember asking them to use the
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bathroom and you would walk a little bit and had to go behind these double dressers
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that they basically turned into a wall so you couldn't see someone actually using
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the toilet so they had the toilet there and the sink and
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the shower which was like a shower stand and when where the shower was when you
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looked down it was supposed to be like a little closet area where they had all
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their clothes just hung up and things like that so
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when they were taking me to where i was gonna sleep it was downstairs in in the cellar
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and i was thinking you know i don't see no stairs you know how the hell am i gonna get down there and when
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i look just behind this counter that they had that basically looked like a
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a bar that they built there was a hole in the ground and you just walked down those stairs
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and you were into the cellar and when you look to the left was the parents room
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and now when you say seller do you mean basement yes okay
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okay okay so when you walk down those stairs as you're going down through the hole you would look to the left and to the left
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was a big open area they had a 42 inch tv on
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on the shelf um their door to access outside into the
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driveway was there they had a couch in front of that door
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and then their mattress was basically on the floor they didn't have
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no bed rails or anything it was center blocks on the floor and the mattress was on top
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of those uh center blocks whose bed was that that was the parent's room okay
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downstairs okay did you say there was a couch in front
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what's that i think that's just a video justin
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oh sorry yes it's the video i'm so blind sometimes guys
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it's so sad god help me lord
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uh thank you miss fletcher for becoming a member um jose did uh tell me something this
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morning he was saying uh with the interview room uh
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you know how he said there was a hole in the a hole somewhere where they could like i guess there's a hole in the floor
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where the heat could raise up do you guys remember that yesterday anybody in the panel can you talk
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yes i recall that thank you um no i don't i didn't hear that
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yeah he said there's a hole in the floor where the heat goes up oh my goodness members everywhere thank you
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he said they put a couple holes on the floor um yeah and he said
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in one of chris's videos i guess when he's in the house with candace yes dr burns yes exactly holes in the
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floor for heat but he said um
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you could chat you could that's where the kids allegedly watched
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uh i guess ally's step-daughter i want to say he said uh
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and or maybe it was candace's stepson is what he said
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are you talking about i'm sorry go ahead please are you talking about where he said the
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peephole where he watched yeah it i you know how he says uh what does he
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calls the the basement a seller but i think that's what he meant by the
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people as you know okay that as a people i don't yeah but
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i'll read the text to you here in just a little bit thank you i'm noble appreciate your super sticker thank you guys for becoming members
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appreciate you i remember that but i don't remember a hole in the floor
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yeah it was for the um the heat thank you interesting
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appreciate you god bless you any other comments
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okay one of the door that goes outside
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correct yes that was to prevent any of the kids opening and closing that door
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you know when when y'all finally contacted me you know
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just going a little ahead when y'all had contacted me and and and was telling me everything that's
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going on i could clearly remember that you know looking at these videos as
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they were talking with donnie and he's like well you know summer's pretty intelligent you know she could have
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opened that door you know but no there is no could have there is a death in it
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because she had the consistency of always unlocking the door and walking out whenever they see it fit and this
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was not just summer this was also wailing and wyatt as well so
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they would just come in and out freely you know you know
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the door did fall
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something was wrong with the lock um and they couldn't find the key so they basically had this uh
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jose said yesterday no jose is definitely not hunter's
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father uh jose told me i believe it was the night before last that that door was
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never ever locked maybe they fixed it after summer went missing
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but it was never locked because you know something was wrong with the lock but it
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was never locked so i mean even someone could have been down there waiting or
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even a parent could have been down there waiting who knows
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i've always thought that a larger one that looked like it was a sofa bed but it wasn't and it was blue and they had
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that pushed up against the entrance way of the door
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and that's where the kids would hang out and sit and watch the tv you know watch movies and cartoons and things like that
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okay so the couch was inside right it wasn't like an out they didn't no it was inside of
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candace and donny's room but it was pressed up against the wall that
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literally the door was there okay and um i slept in the room adjacent to them
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and in that room adjacent to them was basically the kids playroom
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and all their toys was in there and stuff um another thing was when i seen a photo of
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where they showed how the boys beds were and things like that that bed was never there that bed
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was the bed i slept in in the cellar it was literally pushed up against the wall and
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the rest of the room was the kid's room that had all their toys and i remember specifically because
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the kids will always come downstairs hey jose how you doing and i'm like hey what's up and they would be like we came
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to play with our toys and i would be laying there and i'll be like go ahead have at it go play with your
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toys you know and candace would yell from upstairs and candace would yell from upstairs
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that um you know leave jose alone he's trying to get rest and stuff and i would say oh
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don't worry about it there can't let them play i really don't care at all whatsoever
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so it was basically my room flash their play room which i
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never denied them entrance there was no door to the room they could just freely walk
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in was there doors anywhere in that in in anywhere in the house
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to get in and out of the home okay so but there was no internal door
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there was an internal door from the first room you entered through the front of the house to get into the kitchen it
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was a blue door with a glass window and that door they when the kids were you know not
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behaving this was after donnie came back hey one second jose one second jose i see you you're uh
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having some feedback your mic may be uh okay there we go go ahead sorry jose
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okay so uh donnie will always keep that blue door closed and he would tell the kids you
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know don't mess with the lock we don't have the key for this door leave the door
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can you imagine being an adult
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and not having doors on your bathroom
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or thank you tan uh tanya i appreciate you you members need a great job jose thank
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you you're very kind appreciate it um can any of i mean and just the the lack
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of privacy of using the restroom
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you know uh you don't want your kids to sit there and watch you
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be on the toilet you know and it's it's it's very demeaning
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to the kids you know i mean to not for them to not have privacy
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i am so glad that you mentioned that do you mind if i chime in no i need all of you to join me and go for it everybody
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okay so my thought on that and you know i'm not trying to be disrespectful to
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you know the parents or anything but let's focus a little bit on what their occupation is i mean they do drywall for
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a living and i can only assume that the size of that
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bathroom would not be a hard task especially for individuals who have the knowledge and
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the tools and the means to you know provide that kind of privacy um
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it's it kind of threw red flags in my opinion when i heard that because we also know
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that the father had allowed the ex-employee uh to
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visit the home and whenever you know i heard jose on the
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live indicate that you know i got chills because i could only imagine
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you know any little child trying to have privacy in a restroom
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and you know who knows how many guests you know entered that
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home and would have had a clear vision of a small child her or her siblings uh
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using the restroom and i just wonder why nobody has questioned you know with their occupation why that
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wasn't an easy task to fulfill
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i i wholeheartedly agree with that you would think
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i'm getting that feedback or something you would think that
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you know it would again it would be easy to fulfill but i think
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when in my opinion probably when don got off work what he wanted was to just
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you know be in his addiction probably you know without any due respect that i can give but
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they built the add-on to the house so why didn't they put walls up
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exactly you know especially in the bathroom in the bathroom that's like the most
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important thing exactly thank you brent appreciate you
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wasn't it mcdonough or i can't remember and i could be wrong
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someone i thought said that there was an addition there but they tore it down
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and was gonna try to rebuild it or something like that yes yes well they yeah they they tore
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down part of the house i want to say and they rebuilt an addition
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and that's what i heard they were going to but it's like never happened but
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people that are on meth they love to take things apart and tear it down with high hopes to build it back up and it
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never happens you know that's a good point i never thought of it that way i see you
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i've heard i don't know but i've heard that people on that type of drug
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likes to yeah take little things apart and stuff so
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but why yeah i don't know you know i mean i
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why does drugs make a person do a certain you know what i mean like
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does that mean i don't know i guess with adhd i could start a project
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and think it's the best thing in the world and not finish it because my mind goes elsewhere
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yeah i'm the same way definitely
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um where is that girl at bad girl can you text something or like not text but
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write something in chat okay i think with the privacy of not
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having any doors or the walls up around that bathroom to have any sort of
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privacy for those children and for yourself um knowing absolutely whoever i can't
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see panel right now but whoever said you know he works in this industry and if anybody works in the
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reconstruction industry we all know there's extra material we all know that you
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sometimes they over order why in the world one sheet of sheetrock is all it would have taken to give a
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wall so i believe when jose says he did nothing
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don wells did nothing in that home when he got home from work
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he couldn't build a wall for his little kids he could have built a wall for candace
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crap that girl that's extraordinarily generous thank you so so much
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summer loved french fries she loved to be outside mountain dew is here
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can to grab she went on her swifty early in mourning in her pjs she lived loved and was an
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adventurous little girl that's exactly right you know she reminds me of pippi longstocking does anybody ever remember
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pippi longstocking yes i appreciate it thank you chasing truth appreciate you
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for being happy and could you guys drop by chasing truths uh
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uh she was a happy little girl it sounded like yeah very busy
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yeah go go go busy bossy just you know sorry justin no you're fine
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pippy longstocking she would uh water the flowers while it was
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you know she was just an adventurous little girl
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yeah i modded you vet girl if that's okay all right
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we're somewhat open and that it was basically you know to keep the house warm
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and things like that but if the kids did get out of hand you know donnie would
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send them in that room and close the both doors the doors to the front room and the door
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to that kitchen and the kids would be in there though they had tv and
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[Music] uh oh the call dropped hold on i gotta fast forward it through here because that's
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not good it was a issue
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oh yes absolutely uh the you were talking about
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uh the kids would go was put in a room or was something to that effect oh yes
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that would be the front room as you get to the entrance
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don't clean up little by little and the more consistent i got with it
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the boys started to help me well and then wyatt you know i would do the dishes uh or whale and would dry them and and
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wyatt would put them up so they wouldn't break or anything they started sweeping you know when they
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returned back to school um and they would come home
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you know they weren't even allowed to eat until they had to do their homework which i
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feel that that's wrong because you know the children eat at 11 in the morning and they're coming home at three from
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the bus three three thirty of course they're going to want to eat something small they're hungry they're
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young they burn through that energy and they couldn't even eat they had to do their homework first before they ate
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and even after their homework works done it's dollar pizzas you know or or chips or or cupcakes you
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know i'm saying to myself like uh where's like turkey and cheese tuna fish
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maybe a can of spaghetti and meatballs you know things like that not even that was there
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you know and i could remember that when i the first month that i was there ali
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would constantly every single day she would go to walmart all the way to
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kingsport to walmart and spend her little bit of money that she earns from her job you know
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taken away from her children and giving it to summer and the boys
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because even she was eye to eye with me these kids need to eat like what's going on here
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you know and it was just an incredible experience you could say an
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eye opener it made me realize wow you know compared to these people i'm a wonderful dad you know like
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i cook i clean wash clothes i've even done laundry for them even you know and
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they are amazed because all they kept saying is donnie don't do things like that like that man does not
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do anything all he does is work drink come home that's it okay could you
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could you tell us about uh when don returned how did how did all
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of that go down well uh basically when
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he was coming back i remember candace was telling me that oh he's pissed and
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you know before he returned i find it kind of strange that he said he didn't know who i was
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until he came home because i had spoken with him on numerous occasions on the telephone
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while he was on his way back from utah you know and i thought
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everything was cool between us he came home he was calm he didn't drink the first
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uh so yeah um jose did work for a short period of time
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uh why while he was down which he was only down there six months i don't i i need to ask him
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uh to find if he can find try to remember where the place where he worked but he
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made like those cat scratch towers you know what i'm talking about anybody
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thank you debbie yes i do yes i do thank you they're like carpeted things
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you know yeah it's like those carpeted you know they get like boards or something and they put the uh
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staples with the carpet in it and that's what he did which i thought was that's a very interesting job
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you know right where manufacturing is that what it's
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called noel do you live are you local
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so at least he didn't sit on his butt and do nothing you know he was doing
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something to help himself absolutely that's exactly right and he was always helping around the house too
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yeah do you mind if i ask a question real quick go for it
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okay so in that um little clip there we had heard him mentioning
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something on the lines of when the children got off the bus we also heard that
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he when he stayed there with the family that it was only three of the children because the oldest was out of state with
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father he also indicated that he stayed there for roughly six months
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so when he mentions the kids getting off of the bus that leaves some questions
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because i thought this was during you know covet and maybe that's why the oldest son was able to go off and miss
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school but clearly no it wasn't during covid
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um there is some questions um between ally andrew
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and jose they're a little mixed up on the dates nobody can get really specific dates
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um he's saying jose is saying that he arrived in february march it was the
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winter time and he was leaving he left around october november
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it was 2020 and then summer went missing in june of
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2021 okay yes and i cried but i think my
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biggest question here was okay the kids the other children were clearly in
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school because he's seen them get off of the school bus so i guess my question is was the eldest
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son you know able to miss that long of amount of school and was he possibly
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enrolled in utah for school since we did hear the father indicate on the news in
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an interview that his intentions were to move to utah to make more money and we also heard
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yesterday in the live jose had stated that the house was packed up during the
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time of him staying there um i just wonder if you guys you know thought of that or yeah
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no one knows if josie was indeed enrolled in school or not
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i think um they're trying to get a hold of mary to verify if she knows oh wow hold on let's
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just let's just let's just show this what tiffany marie did how classy is this
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good for you tiffany marie thank you you're you're very wow
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you're very classy we appreciate you so horrific
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to say guys because you're getting all the views that she wants
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wow
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this is the most childish okay thing anybody can do
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i'm blown away i just showed the class act here yeah
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but we keep moving on guys thank you uh thank you tiffany murray for that lovely
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super chat and uh we hope your day is better uh thank you mindy i really appreciate
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it welcome thank you charlotte anne
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and thank you debbie mcguire um but yeah that's it's you know it's very
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interesting when it comes to um hold on
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did jose report any neglect if he claims he's seen to cps no and that is exactly
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what he's really struggling with he was
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to be honest with you he was crying
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terribly um just just the the guilt that he had you
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know he said i shouldn't have fn left i should have just not cared
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and you know now um
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i'm sorry to interrupt getting back to um
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dawn being in utah and the house being packed up thank you i really appreciate you honey
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he recently come out and said that he was that he was looking for a place for them
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to live in utah right that's that's what i thought that
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i had heard i mean they could have you know it's that's an interesting point mountain
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girl because nobody's ever thought about that well they
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candice agreed that she was looking into getting money for the property that's where jody sue came in she was gonna
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offer money and she was gonna go move to utah with donnie and then something happened
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to where donnie decided to come back and um you know there is a question out
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there that we still haven't been able to find the answer to is how did he get josie out of school for
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that long wasn't you know the school board notified wasn't there red flag thrown there
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did he enroll him in school in utah like nobody can really answer that question justice yet
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well that's one of the things i have wrote down on my list of questions the follow-up interview
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you know how was josie allowed to be out of school so we're going to get that answered
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schools close yeah there was somebody in chat that was trying to get justin and
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um mary in touch and i think that would be very insightful um i think she's supposed to
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email justin yeah so maybe that can you know happen somehow
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and there's no factual information about why cps was in that house from the
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beginning i don't think anybody can say that i
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know factually that this is the reason why cps was in the home from the jump i
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don't think people can say that yet and i often wonder if that's another reason they could have been involved is that
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maybe somebody didn't go to school the proper way maybe you just don't know maybe yeah
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very interesting around the same time it's good yeah but ally had said that um candace had cps
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cold on her seven times i you know allie said that
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you know that it was kind of like she would call cps on them they would call cps on her like a back and forth yes
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like a tit-for-tat yeah does anybody remember the date on the
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facebook post where the land was listed for 30 000
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was that for the family's home on the mother's page
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um no this is one a listing that or a post excuse me from candace where she
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lists the property for third
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are you there i see you
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sorry about that yes i'm here okay go ahead
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okay did you know no i was just i was looking for the post or either a screenshot of that to get an
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exact date let me see if i can look really quick
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because i did that um on her uh facebook the public
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one just a second okay i'm looking as well thank you true crime and terry
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appreciate it um thank you for your insightful interview
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justice in jose thank you um i really appreciate you being here
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okay so we'll uh any other comments before we continue no
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okay two days on the second day that he was there he
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got his old job back was ready to return back to work and
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next thing i know he's back into work a couple of days later he gets paid
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but fills up his fridge full of all this frozen junk food and beer and liquor
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and right away it's to the drinking and i remember a couple of times i would
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be downstairs you know laying down about to pass out and
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i hear them fighting upstairs and it's not like a normal fight it's a drunk fight between two drunk people yeah when
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you say pass out you mean going to sleep right i just want to be clear i'm sorry yeah you just gotta be really
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clear on here at the time that uh he returned i had started a a part-time job
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you know to earn a little extra money and things like that so um
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you know it was it would be like almost eight o'clock at night 8 30 maybe and
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they would be hammered like and i mean hammered but it they didn't look like
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they were hammered but they were they were drunk we were talking black velvet and a fifth of it
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and they will always have a 12 pack of mountain dew under the table and i clearly remember
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that because the minute the box opened a soda and she would and candace would crack it open
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summer will come running into the kitchen can i have soda can i have soda you know and
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i'm like baby you don't want juice or water and she would be like no i want soda and they would just give it to her
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and i would tell them you know too much soda is not good for her you know she's too little to be drinking that
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you know and but you could only say so much before
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you realize that what you're saying is going through one ear and out of the other
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right so so when when did it get when did things turn
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uh after dawn came back and can you tell us about a week about a week after he
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returned things started to really deteriorate with me being there
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he kept accusing candice of sleeping with me or while he was gone
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and things like that when i finally saw the video that he was talking with uh the
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guy chris from tir uh he was telling them that oh yeah you know
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she had this guy in the house you know and you know he was gay or whatever that's a bold face lie i'm not gay i'm
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nowhere near that okay you know i am a straight man i prefer women that
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is my preference right period and um
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you're saying where um candace and everyone said that uh
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you preferred men that you actually are indeed straight
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exactly correct okay you know and i believe that they were telling him that to just ease tension so
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there wouldn't be like a a severe conflict but during the time that i was there helping them and stuff they're realizing
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like wow you know this guy's here and he's renting for me he's a good friend
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helps my kids with homework he cooks he cleans like who is this guy you know and it's
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nothing special like there's many of men like me who do things like that you know
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this is what you're supposed to do you know these are your children you want their well-being in in your heart
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constantly you know you want to make sure they're fed their clothes are clean they have a proper bed to sleep in
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you know and i get emotional talking about that because i remember you know seeing them sleep on these
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couches on the floor you know and it would bother me a lot
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like a lot and i'll be like you know like what's going on and it was always
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one fingers point to the other oh it's his fault or he would say oh it's her fault you know they just constantly kept
52:58
blaming each other instead of just meeting each other in the middle find common ground and fix things together it
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was always a constant conflict past was kept being thrown up on each other's faces
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you know and things like that no so about a week after yeah it started to
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get very heated it was always about me always and you know my name just kept
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constantly flying out there and one night they got so drunk um this was the week
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that i had left they had gotten real
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is this the night where the police came yes okay correct and i remember that
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that did that night very clearly because i was half asleep i was literally half
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asleep ready to you know go into wonderland as you would say
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and all i could remember was hearing this loud banging thump noise you know like if
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someone hit the ground and i remember jumping off the bed and running up those tiny steps you know
54:09
when peeking out and candace is literally on top of donny like don't you ever ever
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put a hand on me and things like that and i'm like what is going on
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and she was telling me this this [ __ ] here is saying me and you doing something together and
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i'm like yo we're not doing nothing we never did anything like at all at all
54:36
and he was like i want you out of my house and i said i will leave this home when your wife tells me to leave this
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home because she's the one who is renting from me and she is the one who is helping me
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you know you were nowhere around so you have no no say-so here at the moment especially
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that you took your oldest son and you ditched the rest of your family you know if you're gonna move to another state
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pick up your entire family and go don't take one child and leave the wife with the rest because that was wrong you know
55:08
and if in the summer as he said it's his world she should have been the first one on
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that truck with him you know when he left to utah not leave her with candace and then leave candace
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with barely any money candace would have to call him i need money for food i mean
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you know money to pay the light and things like that and she would be full-blown fights with him about that
55:33
and you know eventually he would give in and send her a few dollars and that was it but it would be a
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full-blown fight just to get money from him you know from utah so she could get
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whatever she needed for the house so that night after he got up and he's yelling at me
55:50
he's there drinking his uh a beer uh i don't remember what kind of beer it was it was a brown bottle and
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i started to tell her what's the cheetah always a cheetah you don't you cheated on your wife
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while your wife is downstairs in the basement with your daughter and you up here in this room where your sons are
56:09
sleeping at and you're having sex with some some lady who you know uses drugs and
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you're saying you're helping her but yeah i could imagine you're helping her and i guess he didn't like the truth
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being told in his face because he wind up throwing a beer bottle at me right in
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my face and the beer bottle wind up breaking and it [ __ ] want my front two
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and i remember after that initial you know hit i literally
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you know uh grandest was in between us and candace was behind grandest like
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they were trying to keep us separated and at that time that's when donnie just
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shoved candace out of the way and i started to approach him as he's
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coming towards me and grandis is still trying to keep her separated but you
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know i was already so much anger was inside of me that he done threw this bottle at me
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you know like oh yeah that's it i'm done with this and i wind up moving um grandest out of the
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way i didn't shove her i didn't do anything i just pressed my chest up
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against her and when she felt you know my force that's when she just moved out the way
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because she knew right then and there fist was going to be flying so as donnie
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went to go and throw up his fist at me i literally walked right up to his face i
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had my hands in my pocket and i had him falled up in the fist and i said i'm waiting throw it because you found the
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right one with me maybe other people are afraid or intimidated of you but i'm not
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you know i've dealt with people like you you know growing up and
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instead so what y'all's thoughts about
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this this is the infamous fight that we have all heard
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any comments i think he's being 100 truthful
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yeah i mean uh jose did get his tooth broken
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uh buy a bottle yeah i think this whole thing is still
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like a shock to pretty much all of us because for so long you know nobody has
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been able to find the sky or hear from this guy
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and it's just literally
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just very hectic i think i'm more taken back by i really thought that we were
58:55
going to hear him maybe speak negative you know on ali and stuff because if you
59:02
guys recall in the interview room she didn't really have anything good to
59:08
say about that individual and neither did the missing child's
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mother um so it's i guess it's still a lot to wrap my head around to hear how
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you know it's reversed he is not in favor of the parents and he still has good
59:28
things to say about you know ally um but you get to clearly
59:34
see more dynamics unfold of what the situation was really like sadly
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yes yes he really didn't say really mean things about candace
59:47
he was kind of taken up for her in the beginning too
59:53
you know he i was shocked yeah yeah i thought he would have more negative things to say about candace
1:00:00
but you know i mean which made me more
1:00:06
thinking he was truthful because he had good and you know good and bad things you know when you somebody is
1:00:13
tearing somebody down you have to think you know there is good qualities in people even there's good qualities in
1:00:20
everybody yeah you know everything so for somebody to come out and just
1:00:25
bash them like crazy it just made me believe jose even more oh shoot he even
1:00:30
said don was a good father yeah yeah he said he
1:00:35
was really good to uh candace or not candace sorry uh summer you know and uh
1:00:43
you know that but he was telling me that you know you know summer loved her father very
1:00:50
much um but uh what i think he told me which
1:00:57
we're going to be playing in the next couple days the phone call which is just very similar to this to be quite honest
1:01:03
with you um he was saying
1:01:08
something to the i think it was that candace gave summer more attention which
1:01:15
obviously you know you would think because she was the mother um but
1:01:21
summer always gave her dad the most attention you know and
1:01:27
she didn't you know candace didn't understand why
1:01:32
which is kind of interesting you know why why is he always giving dondy but you know they say it's
1:01:39
always daddy's girls and mommy's boys you know she was also probably trying to chase
1:01:46
the affection you know say chase the what she was trying to
1:01:52
chase the affection you know where you're at least getting it from she's trying to
1:01:58
get feedback from him she's trying to get um an emotional feedback from him that
1:02:03
she probably just wasn't getting that much from him right
1:02:09
you know wasn't it said that don came back because candace kept on calling him and trying
1:02:15
to make him jealous with jose uh we yes we've heard two different
1:02:22
things to that uh one is she kept trying to you know make him jealous of jose
1:02:29
uh and another one is he found out that jose was there
1:02:35
i can see both happening you know but
1:02:41
to me it would probably be the latter because don when don found out jose was there he
1:02:47
came you know driving 110 miles an hour across you know
1:02:52
the states and uh he got he got pulled over
1:02:58
and also his kid was with him so
1:03:05
sorry go ahead jose made it sound though that um he
1:03:10
knew jose was living there and that he talked to him a few times and
1:03:17
that it wasn't this quick emergency to get home that's what i got from jose i don't know
1:03:23
if anybody else i don't know um i don't know
1:03:28
well i know i'd like and he's you know that's interesting the way you
1:03:34
say that now because don said he came
1:03:39
with his own words he came you know coming 110 miles an hour is what he said right
1:03:45
but jose said when he got there he was just as nice as he could be for the first week right and jose you just
1:03:52
played it said that i talked to him while he was in utah and everything was
1:03:57
fine don right had been really mad but then when he got there
1:04:03
he kind of chickened out a little you know or calmed down or something
1:04:08
well don said it first and when he first arrived home everything was fine and
1:04:13
then after they got to drinking is when all the fighting started
1:04:20
so i don't know thank you bad girl um the sleeping arrangements um
1:04:28
to me it sounded like most of them slept downstairs ali confirmed that today yeah what i
1:04:35
heard from her mouth that they they had she also confirmed what
1:04:41
jose said about the mattress and then it was on cinder blocks that was her and dawn's bed
1:04:47
and there was two parts of the basement and there was another like um part of it that had the bunk beds
1:04:55
where the boys slept and then summer slept in the bed with
1:05:00
um the parents and that's where the toys were they they're all cooperating that same story
1:05:09
that's good how long did he learn the term grandest um i've gotten that a lot and the so in
1:05:16
the essay i have the recording and i when i will play that in that recording i tell
1:05:24
him to say we use the term grandest as in
1:05:29
uh you know to keep them separately who we know we're talking about that's just the term that we have came up with i
1:05:36
have that in the recording i also have i told him to not say i told him to say s o for you know that
1:05:44
word and s a and don't say you know other certain words so
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uh it will be in the recording that i will be sharing
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okay any other thing really click on that now if you don't
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mind um so this just kind of stuck out to me so the
1:06:08
father drove i believe it was what the white truck to utah and back correct
1:06:17
okay so that truck clearly was able to make the distance from the state of tennessee
1:06:23
to utah round trip and able to break speed limit and drive over 100
1:06:29
miles per hour allegedly per the father so i guess this is going to be a question that i have further into this
1:06:36
video i just wanted to kind of bookmark it in my mind is
1:06:41
we had heard jose indicate that dawn had drove a small red truck with a ladder
1:06:48
on it um for jobs that were further away than an hour so that's why
1:06:55
i'm just kind of bringing this up now so that i don't forget about it because that you know what i mean because i thought when i
1:07:02
heard him mention that yesterday that maybe it's a possibility that the white uh
1:07:07
truck was not suitable uh to drive long distance possibly but that just kind of answered
1:07:14
my question on that i guess
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yeah um that dropped me i'm my wheel's spinning
1:07:27
that's interesting that you say that and that is something to think about
1:07:33
i was under the impression that it was a truck that stayed at
1:07:40
tucker drywall and whoever needed it at the time got to use it
1:07:47
so i don't know good point that girl fyi if someone calls 911 from jonesboro
1:07:55
it hits the 911 call center sullivan county so if don was traveling home from
1:08:02
work lightning fast how did his 911 call hit hawkins county
1:08:08
if he was not in the county great very good very good point very good that
1:08:15
girl that girl that she's good y'all yeah she is and respect right there
1:08:21
that's wow yeah
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okay any other comments thank you for that two vet girl and thank you kelly uh
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zimmer uh good fathers don't throw away baby kittens to dogs yeah i can agree with that
1:08:42
ali did confirm that hunter did give summer a baby kitten
1:08:48
but ali was unaware of what actually happened to it because she wasn't in the
1:08:55
good sorry she wasn't in the picture at that point uh when donnie got home she wasn't in
1:09:01
that picture and that was when he did what he did just summer in the kitten
1:09:08
mamashi13 thank you coming in super late it appears i will definitely be catching
1:09:13
the replay just wanted to say thank you so much to bringing this to us all thank you appreciate it
1:09:19
icu has you know a lot of the credits due to her as well
1:09:25
we're a really good team yes you guys are awesome we are well thank you i think so
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you are yeah she does things that i don't like to do and i do things she doesn't like to do right now
1:09:42
yes it does i hate talking on the phone yeah
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i personally had not and i mean please don't like take offense to this it's not
1:09:54
anything um like offensive i guess um i personally
1:09:59
you know had not came across either channel before because as i said
1:10:05
in this community there's so many you know new creators i don't follow
1:10:11
a lot of people so whenever i seen this video yesterday it was actually sent to
1:10:16
me by one of my loyal subs and i was truly almost scared to watch it because
1:10:24
i thought oh my gosh this is going to be you know manipulated or it's going to be
1:10:30
drama and i i was hesitant to watch it so when i watched it i can honestly tell
1:10:37
you guys um that's how i found you and i was like applauding you guys because i
1:10:44
just thought to myself that you guys handled it in a very respectful mannerism
1:10:50
i feel that you know there wasn't any you know like [ __ ] or you know drama
1:10:56
i think it went very well and it gave many of us creators and subs a better
1:11:04
you know insight of a lot of things and you know i don't know how and how
1:11:09
you guys track that person down you don't have to share it but i mean
1:11:14
like kudos to you guys and i think people will probably you know be a little
1:11:20
mad you know that they didn't get that opportunity um but you know i think you guys handled
1:11:26
it you know pretty good so
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i mean i totally consider that a compliment um yes that is mountain girl
1:11:38
yes thank you so much it was fun i loved doing it yeah um
1:11:44
it was very hard and they had every opportunity that we had any other channel that you know i mean that just
1:11:52
it's not that we have anything special you know it's just that we
1:11:58
like literally we're determined like like if this man was alive we were
1:12:05
gonna find him i think so many people
1:12:10
including myself uh quite frankly you know question at times like okay is
1:12:16
this person even real or you know is he even alive i mean
1:12:22
i know that may sound crazy but with the batshit crazy dynamics of this case i
1:12:28
mean it's it's not something to not question i was convinced justin and i both we've
1:12:34
had that conversation daily almost and i mean because it was just like
1:12:40
where is he we there was nothing no leads nothing and then when it happened
1:12:46
it just happened i was about to sit down and eat dinner when my phone dinged i
1:12:51
looked at it and honestly i about threw up oh gosh
1:12:57
well if you're ever lost we want you guys you guys to be on it or whenever seriously
1:13:04
whenever um he whenever he uh
1:13:10
told us about the truck you'll hear me in the recording like i i literally had to sit down
1:13:16
i was standing up
1:13:26
when jose was mentioning the red truck like with the ladder
1:13:36
and i don't i don't think there were negative comments some some of the ones that i had read but people were just like
1:13:42
questioning like well do you think that that person is telling the truth the reason why i personally
1:13:47
feel that that individual was speaking the truth was because he was telling us the story basically like
1:13:55
you know hey i told him we got into an argument he indicated about not having
1:14:00
an orange safety flag on the back and you know i honestly felt that
1:14:07
you know he was honest from what i could hear and handled it very well but like i said
1:14:14
why haven't any of the neighbors or anybody at any point in time
1:14:20
during this process mention the fact that at times he would drive a vehicle
1:14:25
like that um it's kind of interesting it is interesting um he
1:14:32
the two of the biggest parts pieces of information i didn't even have to ask like
1:14:40
i don't think i i don't remember maybe i did ask about the truck but i said did he ever
1:14:45
you know drive any other trucks or anything and and he's like yeah
1:14:51
a little red truck or something and i was like oh my gosh i was like oh my gosh
1:14:58
wreck and he's like yes he he in the six months that i was there he only used it
1:15:03
maybe two or three times because he only used that if he went really really far
1:15:10
don said that he did why i pointed that out now because
1:15:16
i mean if he only used that vehicle when he would go somewhere to work that was far
1:15:23
this is why i questioned just a moment ago about you know the white vehicle if that's the
1:15:30
one he took to utah because it clearly made a round trip and could reach the speed that it needed
1:15:36
to so that's where my lingering question is as far as what was the purpose of needing this little red truck
1:15:44
yes all right if you remember don said he would do
1:15:50
work in west virginia too uh in in the very early interviews he
1:15:56
said we would uh do work even in west virginia and stuff and i'm like is that
1:16:02
the is that what you know he means by far
1:16:08
but why did he have to take the subaru the day someone went missing well you know one of my theories is uh
1:16:17
uh journeys angel thank you if the boy's beds weren't there when was the house staged to look
1:16:24
the way it did during the tr interview to think that it was upgraded version of
1:16:29
the kids living situation um
1:16:36
uh i so jose texted me this morning and he said
1:16:45
you know that wall uh where rose's
1:16:50
um picture is you know he said that wall did not exist
1:16:57
you know and there was not a picture of rose up in the house uh when he was there
1:17:04
wow there was quite a bit of time before that interview of the inside of the
1:17:09
house occurred after summer's disappearance where they definitely had time
1:17:17
yes um thank you journeys angel um i will wait a second
1:17:25
that picture of ali on top of jose yes wasn't that taken on the bunk beds
1:17:33
yes yeah he said it was taken on the bunk beds he said what did jose say there's god there's so much information
1:17:39
i can't even bring in sometimes um
1:17:47
let me see here thank you so much a lot of crap questioning credibility jose has not
1:17:53
spoken to candace and elliot for two years can you clarify that you showed him
1:17:59
oh absolutely here i'll show you my text yeah go ahead and talk somebody well
1:18:06
i would like to say i would like to clear up andrew confirmed that that is in fact jose
1:18:15
age's father said that is definitely jose so for anybody here that has been
1:18:20
candid yes okay and i don't it's if this is coming
1:18:27
later on in the video but or in the recording jose did say when don got back
1:18:34
all he had to do was call tucker drywall and they hired him back
1:18:40
so i don't think he was working for tucker drywall in utah
1:18:46
no i don't think so either i see you right i don't know if he was that's a good
1:18:52
thing that we should get oh my daughter did that i just cracked it dude for yesterday
1:18:58
she did too yeah watch this interview and you can see it says jose there
1:19:05
so i have a question that's driving me uh crazy that i want to ask um is okay
1:19:12
so you are doing another a live interview with jose correct
1:19:17
correct then i because i seen you in my chat last night um stating that you guys would be
1:19:25
talking to chris soon and i'm fingers crossed like have you guys maybe working
1:19:31
out on something there we are we're working on uh hopefully
1:19:36
doing something sorry it was driving me nuts i'm like please
1:19:42
please yeah um yeah somebody got in touch with me this
1:19:50
morning that's as far as i can you know really go with it right now
1:19:57
which one is it okay
1:20:02
all right what am i doing
1:20:08
so that is an interesting question though that somebody did bring up of where he who he was working for when he
1:20:14
was in the state of utah i actually did a video of the trip to utah for their
1:20:19
facebook page um on my channel and it shows clearly where he was working at
1:20:24
when he was there and it's a pretty elaborate home so i was wondering
1:20:32
individual that reached out to him to have him come there or you know if it was a company i predicted it was and
1:20:39
just you know an individual i could be wrong
1:20:44
um i wonder if mary would know that thank you gingersnap i appreciate you so much
1:20:52
you're very very kind thank you for being here
1:20:57
that is something i'm working on i have a question about the whole time
1:21:03
who he worked for when he was in utah so we're i'm gonna try to get that
1:21:12
answered why did don say he went there too
1:21:19
he said that you're gonna work okay and to look for them a place to
1:21:25
live because they wanted to move back to utah he said that there wasn't a lot of work
1:21:32
around where they were you mean around tennessee yeah but don
1:21:37
was making good money i mean tucker hired him the day he literally came back to tennessee yeah that's what he said
1:21:44
i remember that specifically in his interview yeah that makes no sense no well he doesn't and he lies a lot
1:21:51
we've caught him in plenty of lies right
1:21:58
all right of him lunging at me you know he started
1:22:05
to step back and started to move back to get out of out of the home
1:22:11
and at that time that's when uh candace decided to call the police
1:22:17
and when she called the police donnie ran he jumped in his truck mind you she's shrunk
1:22:23
you know he jumped in his truck and he drove away that same night uh maybe 20 25 minutes
1:22:31
later the police wanted coming up the hill and donnie wasn't on the property
1:22:36
at the time and we were explaining to the police officer what what had transpired there
1:22:43
and stuff and the police were like do you happen to know where he went and we were like
1:22:48
no and next thing we know donnie's coming back up the hill in the truck
1:22:53
and that's when the police officers you know proceeded to him and they raised up
1:22:59
their guns they asked them to step forward in front of the vehicle and that's when we were telling him he's
1:23:04
drunk like literally drunk and so they gave him i guess
1:23:11
whatever exam for a dui you know and in the police officer's eyes he passed
1:23:18
it and then the police officer comes and says well you know in my family we have
1:23:23
drunks and they're coherent so he's probably a coherent drunk i don't care what you say when you're drunk you're
1:23:29
drunk there's no coherence in that whatsoever you know you're under the influence completely
1:23:36
and then that's when candace had told the police officer that he had a gun in the car
1:23:44
and he's a known felon and the police officer was like what and
1:23:49
then that's what donnie admitted that he did have the gun in there and he tried to say it was a
1:23:55
muzzleloader but it wasn't it was like a a little too shot dillinger that he had
1:24:01
in his glove box you know and i'm saying to myself this man came all the way from utah with
1:24:09
that gun in his glove box like what do you need
1:24:14
i just want to uh duke's uh says justice for all don uh and oda's son left and was going to
1:24:22
move because of an accusation uh was made against the oldest so they
1:24:29
left to avoid problems do you know what the do you have any idea what it was dukes
1:24:35
or any of you guys on panel it was something about him something sexually with a girl at school
1:24:46
not a legendary no i i think he's talking about
1:24:55
well was was don junior there at the time like don
1:25:02
wells's son don the older one i don't think don jr was ever
1:25:09
ever there was he um i don't think so didn't he no no i don't
1:25:15
think he was you're right no josie though oh
1:25:21
okay all right you need a gun for and you're a known
1:25:28
felon you know back in my past i've been i've been arrested and i know for a fact i can't
1:25:34
carry a firearm if i do i'm that's a felony charge and i'm going to prison for a long long time
1:25:41
so i know for him to be doing that you have no respect at all for the law
1:25:47
or anybody else you know and they basically arrested him
1:25:53
and uh charged them i guess for domestic violence because candace was just
1:25:59
crying all over the place they had this physical altercation and then
1:26:04
um they were talking with me and i was telling them about me and him with the altercation and they asked would you no
1:26:12
we can't ask you to press charges because you basically don't have no
1:26:17
physical wounds on you and i'm looking at the police officer like dude look at my tooth like he literally checked my
1:26:24
tooth and that's not a physical altercation or not to be arrested after he threw the
1:26:30
beer bottle at me you know and nothing really happened they wind up
1:26:36
taking him to jail for whatever happened between him and candace how long did he stay in jail
1:26:43
uh not long maybe seven days i think tops he was in there
1:26:49
i believe okay and i remember candace going down to the courthouse
1:26:55
and um i was with her her mother was with her all the children
1:27:00
and she went in there you know and did the order of protection and she had
1:27:06
it and she had to fill out some paperwork and me and her mother had to help her fill out that paperwork
1:27:13
and then she went back in i guess they gave it to her and she came out and i kept stressing to her don't
1:27:20
let him back in this guy you know if
1:27:26
candace would have just you know it's what if what if obviously but if candace would have kept that
1:27:33
protection order i really think everything would have been different
1:27:40
i do too oh yeah in my opinion i just really think
1:27:45
if she would have just kept it i don't know how she got it dropped like
1:27:52
that's dead governor was impossible to do i mean but didn't the state pick it up
1:27:58
well no that no the state picked up the gun there was the gun thing so
1:28:03
you would think yeah but she dropped it and i guess tennessee
1:28:11
said okay that's that's what happens in a lot of dv cases
1:28:18
they file it and then the guy gets slimes way back in and they
1:28:23
you know either by threats or by a bit love you baby and that's how they get back in and they drop it
1:28:32
well shoot she got a new car out of it okay what was candace
1:28:41
yeah it's i believe that car is paid off too there's no
1:28:47
lien on it or anything i would like when you guys do do the questions with jose is to ask if
1:28:56
he ever thought that it was kind of odd that a family of six
1:29:03
purchased such an expensive brand new vehicle for a family
1:29:08
of five to fit into because they have four children two adults so
1:29:14
my biggest question this whole time with the vehicle is why would a family spend that kind of money
1:29:20
on a brand new vehicle after not owning a brand new vehicle um you know although he's not going to i'm sorry i've always
1:29:27
said he's not going to know that jose is not going to know that because they purchased the vehicle after he left
1:29:33
oh that's right yeah he just wouldn't know that
1:29:41
all right if something is wrong with him
1:29:46
just from this altercation that i have with him i know for a fact this guy is brutal
1:29:52
this guy has no conscience whatsoever
1:29:57
because you're physically abusive to a mother a grandmother you that like he admitted
1:30:04
she hated his guts she had reason to hate this man's guts you know this man was violent it wasn't
1:30:12
passive he wasn't calm you know and to hear these videos say oh he's a
1:30:18
calm man you know he fits this description no he's a calm man in public
1:30:24
you should see the man behind closed doors that's a totally
1:30:29
different person it's like he switches you know like one day he's okay and at
1:30:35
nighttime it's like a dr jekyll and mr hyde situation with him you know one
1:30:40
point he's fine and calm and laughing it up and in an instant he changes to you
1:30:47
know to jekyll and he's raging and arguing and throwing things and
1:30:52
that's the type of man he is and on a power trip what he says must go and everyone mislisten
1:30:59
and he don't care who you are mm-hmm tell me about the thing that they would
1:31:06
do whenever the kids were sleeping
1:31:11
with the shaving the shaving oh yes um there was uh times where it
1:31:17
wasn't done this was before he came but um they would play pranks on the children
1:31:23
and while they would sleep they would put shaving cream all over them while they were sleeping
1:31:29
you know and i'm like you know i first i had laughed because i i thought it was like a get back to
1:31:35
the kids because the kids did that to their mother
1:31:41
that's an interesting comment noelle spider says thank you don wasn't allowed to live with the kids
1:31:48
at ben hill either allegedly he even put wrong address on the
1:31:54
paperwork from october dv incident he wrote 110 van hill road that's a truck
1:32:00
stop yeah i mean he would have
1:32:06
if she would have filed that he would have had to not be there correct
1:32:15
anybody i never knew that yeah it's ringing something into my head
1:32:20
about candace saying before john got locked up that
1:32:26
in one of her interviews or something she said all i want is him to get locked up
1:32:31
or to leave so i can get my boys back and i always wondered
1:32:37
why did don have to leave for you to get the boys back like i thought it was more of her blaming don and don was blaming
1:32:44
her but now that i see that comment maybe
1:32:50
cps has got something more against dawn about the abuse and the violent history
1:32:56
about not letting them back in that house yeah well dudley
1:33:02
said on his interview that don would stay overnight at the houses
1:33:09
he was working on like he had a microwave like a little mini house set up
1:33:15
wherever he was working because he couldn't go home oh that is right yeah that's right
1:33:21
that's very that's that's a good good call
1:33:27
and that might have been when cps was making visits
1:33:32
that's what i thought that would mean yes and trisha he took a microwave and
1:33:39
everything to a house he was working in the night before cps was coming the next day
1:33:49
all right one time you know and then everybody in the house
1:33:55
was laughing it was funny and the mom was laughing too candace was laughing about it and she's like oh don't worry
1:34:01
i'm gonna get you i'm gonna get y'all but you know the kids are sleeping and they wind up doing it to the children
1:34:08
and it was like nothing you know i'll never forget that when wyatt had woke up
1:34:14
he was crying because he got shaving cream in his eye and he was like why are you always doing that you know when i'm
1:34:21
when i'm fully asleep why you don't do that when i'm like half asleep or something and he was literally in tears
1:34:28
because the shaving cream got into his eyes
1:34:33
it was things like that that really bothered me a lot you know and it wasn't until that
1:34:41
altercation that i had with donnie that he finally realized that he's in front of a man who's not
1:34:48
gonna back down i think he was the type of man that when he approached you he tried to approach you
1:34:54
because he's not a little man this man is tall you know i'm short compared to him but i have a
1:35:01
good size on me you know i can't say i can beat up everybody but i can say i
1:35:06
definitely can hold my own right you know i could as well as i i can give a hit is as well as i can
1:35:13
take it you know and um i guess me
1:35:18
standing up to him you know shattered his foundation because that's when
1:35:24
candace and her mother really started to pull away from him as you could say and
1:35:30
they started to see what i was speaking about him you know like he doesn't really love you
1:35:37
he's never going to change he's going to keep doing the same thing and you
1:35:45
hey guys um jose just messaged me he's actually traveling right now
1:35:51
uh he said he has about 20 minutes if he if um
1:35:58
if we want to talk what do you guys think oh cool
1:36:03
yeah absolutely okay do you do you want me to go over some of
1:36:08
the things that i confirmed today real quick with valley or with listening to ally and um andrew
1:36:15
or do you want to wait no we'll just do it as we go because it's you know okay
1:36:36
hello hey jose how are you good you good i'm gonna put you on air
1:36:41
right now okay one second
1:36:49
hey jose hi good good how are you doing
1:36:55
i'm actually hanging in there good um so we're actually live right now um some
1:37:04
interesting developments that happened today uh there was uh ali uh
1:37:11
talked about some ish some different things and so did andrew uh
1:37:17
lori watched yet so uh l'oreal ask uh she'll talk to you for a second lori go
1:37:24
ahead okay um they pretty much cooperate a lot of what
1:37:30
you say um there was some you know and it's all three of you really on the the times and dates that's
1:37:37
a little iffy um as far as um hunter sleeping
1:37:42
with candace i got that what ally said was that she
1:37:48
caught hunter and candace in bed together and that's why her relationship
1:37:56
ended with candace because and that he like was she was on
1:38:02
him like a dog and a hot dog basically she said like she was always all over him
1:38:07
but they're denying that he actually took their virginity although i
1:38:12
i'm i'm kind of hesitant on that because they're not going they're protecting their son they're not going to admit
1:38:18
that and the son maybe not wanting to admit that to his parents but they said he lost his virginity
1:38:25
to a a minor as well so that was just a little bit um
1:38:31
[Music] um andrew confirmed that you are who you
1:38:38
are now that you mentioned that i would like to know when did she catch them in bed
1:38:44
because when i got there they were fine as friends they would come over all
1:38:52
the time they were hanging out you know and everything was fine but the minute i
1:38:58
wanted to get in there that you know me and allie wanted sleeping together that one time everything went
1:39:05
downhill you could say you know it was a domino effect from there right there's been there's been two
1:39:12
sides of the story one was that there was an issue between ally you and then you staying at candace's ally got
1:39:18
jealous and she that's why she got mad at candace ali today that's exactly
1:39:24
that's exactly what happened that's what i mean okay because ali today said
1:39:33
today she said that i'm sorry today she said that it was because she
1:39:38
she uh found out that candace and hunter were in bed together and that she was always all over him and
1:39:44
that she did file charges now she filed charges but she doesn't want to come out and say that they had the s word you
1:39:51
know but the charges were must have been enough for her to file them
1:39:58
for some kind of inappropriate behavior you know yeah
1:40:03
yeah never arrested for that i know right
1:40:12
[Music] right she said that she didn't it was
1:40:18
filed she didn't know what was taking them so long she was frustrated as well with that
1:40:25
[Music] hold on one second
1:40:32
they confirmed she confirmed that hunter gave the kitten i mean a lot of things were
1:40:37
were definitely cooperated between how you
1:40:42
guys said everything was located in the house how they felt um it was just basically
1:40:49
the question of losing his virginity and um the exact dates of when you and
1:40:55
andrew and the crew went down there how long you stayed and when you finally left
1:41:01
that's that's what i gotta just of it um ali did say that she was more upset over
1:41:08
summer and that was confirmed within the chat too than candace was
1:41:17
yeah that was pretty much it people told her that you talked very highly of her and she she was very happy to hear about
1:41:23
that of course absolutely because she's not a bad woman at all she is actually you
1:41:29
know a mama bear if you know what i mean yeah right after her kids she's going to attack you like a wild dog she ain't
1:41:36
going to play yeah right the type of woman that she really is this is not
1:41:42
someone that you know just thinks lightly about her kids this is someone that oh you're gonna kill me if you're
1:41:48
gonna touch my kids that's the type of woman she is um
1:41:54
jose two questions um how did they celebrate holidays someone
1:42:00
wanted to know like uh where are you you were there and from like spring to
1:42:07
early fall early fall just before
1:42:13
during halloween times they weren't going out because at that time john wasn't even in the house
1:42:18
and candace was real depressed you know because she would shrink after five
1:42:24
o'clock did once five o'clock hit she was hammering down black velvet left and
1:42:29
right okay ally confirmed that she had a bottle in her hand the whole time that she knew
1:42:36
her yeah exactly um told you that when they heard my
1:42:43
voice didn't i tell you i was going to shake up things yeah yeah you certainly did it
1:42:51
i told you andrew said someone wrote andrew said that jose went with them
1:42:57
from new york to tennessee in august or september 2020. can jose confirm the
1:43:04
actual dates with that he was there uh
1:43:09
yeah you know not twenty twenty three twenty twenty twenty two now twenty one right
1:43:16
there it was two years ago wasn't it wasn't it twenty twenty it would have been twenty
1:43:23
[Music] but it wasn't from august to september though was it he was there
1:43:30
no i was there much sooner because it was hot as hell when we got
1:43:36
down there and i mean hot yeah outside and t-shirts shorts
1:43:41
and everything you know so it's no way i was there no august september because by then it was already cooling
1:43:48
down and i remember when i had left you know donnie was already with me and the
1:43:54
boys chopping up wood to bring into the house because the house was getting too cold when was the uh no i'm not asking
1:44:01
you this jose when was the incident for uh candace and
1:44:06
dawn's thing and that'll give us a very important timeline because jose left
1:44:13
i think just a few days after that so we need to know when the restraining
1:44:18
order was filed i don't have that it i don't have that record you find out the date of that
1:44:25
order protection the day that she went in to go file it from that day forward i was gone within
1:44:32
the week yeah at the end of that week because that's when i got paid and i left yeah that's what you said you got
1:44:38
uh paid and then you had granted
1:44:43
drives me all the way to rock hill south carolina yeah
1:44:49
oh can i please chime in and ask a question sure okay hi jose i am going to know if you
1:44:57
found it to be a little odd or surprised whenever you had heard the three family
1:45:03
members state that they had traveled and taken you to
1:45:08
north carolina versus south carolina if i found it
1:45:14
what did you find odd with that uh
1:45:20
the family like grandis candace dawn and all of them had said that they had taken
1:45:25
you to north carolina rather than south carolina absolutely but brandeis had
1:45:31
promised me that she wasn't going to reveal to them exactly where she took me
1:45:36
oh okay that may be wrong that makes sense
1:45:41
okay that makes a lot more sense i technically didn't want anyone to know
1:45:47
where i was going you know oh she kept it between us because she didn't even know
1:45:53
my plans until the day we drove off that off the property
1:45:58
and when we hit the main road i said okay you're taking me to rock hill south carolina and she just gave me a weird
1:46:05
look like what you know like i caught her off guard even with that
1:46:10
okay can i ask jose a question yeah of course hi jose
1:46:16
hello i just have um a quick question for you at any time during your stay at the
1:46:23
wells did you know of child protective services being involved
1:46:28
in their family oh yeah absolutely they told me about three other times that they went there
1:46:34
and they wouldn't open the door for nobody do you happen to know um
1:46:41
a reason why they were called or what candace said what happened anything
1:46:48
the house was their living conditions correct and then not eating properly and also them missing school a lot as well
1:46:55
oh you know because when um when supposedly when don had taken
1:47:04
joji with him to utah they never pulled them out of school you know what i mean right and all of a
1:47:11
sudden they find out that he's all the way to utah with the dad so they had to
1:47:16
do paperwork or whatever in order to transfer we was just talking about that actually
1:47:22
you know and um at the time uh donnie was taking josie to work with him
1:47:29
you know until he went to school you know uh cinema
1:47:34
she said the school missing and there was bugs in their backpack
1:47:41
okay the date of the there was i mean and everything they're closed up
1:47:48
if you look at that chris mcdonald video i was looking at it and i said holy crap
1:47:54
they really he really did some remodeling to cover up whatever the hell
1:48:00
was going on and i was like you know you can only cover it up but so far but wait until
1:48:06
they find out how the hell they get into that cellar that's when them everyone's mouth is gonna drop because remember i
1:48:13
was explaining to you on the interview there's no staircase like a normal one i
1:48:19
told you it was underneath that bar area yeah you know and that's dangerous
1:48:25
you know that there was exposed nails there if you also continue to watch the video if the listeners are listening
1:48:32
watch as chris walks down and when he finally gets into where summer is sleeping at he's looking
1:48:39
at this black stand with the tv and everything there that was never there that wall was completely empty it wasn't
1:48:47
painted and just as you look over to the right there's a little hole
1:48:52
on that wall that's the hole that the kids were watching
1:48:59
the daughter and the um gotcha
1:49:04
so uh angie shea says uh that she lives in the area and the bristol nascar race
1:49:10
is uh in 2020 was may 31st and june 1st
1:49:16
that's when we were down there okay around that time because we couldn't get
1:49:21
into a a hotel after we went there well after they went
1:49:27
to go check on the house or whatever they came back you know frustrated and tears and stuff you know real upset and
1:49:34
we kept walking and walking all over the place to different hotels and they were
1:49:39
just booked completely booked we couldn't even get a hotel and it wasn't just that you know
1:49:44
maybe two three of us we're talking it was andrew um his his woman of the children
1:49:52
um it was also my friend with his girlfriend her children me as well
1:49:58
and two other friends who actually helped pay for the for the u-haul and everything to go down there
1:50:05
andrew also confirmed that it was the first race that you guys arrived there
1:50:11
the first race for the nascar okay yes absolutely
1:50:18
yeah cause y'all were going there to rent a house or something right and it wasn't ready correct okay and it wasn't
1:50:24
ready yep okay that's all i was saying that it had just fell through and we were all wondering what's going on you know
1:50:32
thank you regina appreciate it um
1:50:38
oh yeah i could also tell you me coming out the way i did my woman is not very happy about it either she's
1:50:46
she's careful fearful you know she's a very private woman and i told her i said listen you know i
1:50:53
understand you're upset with me and everything but if whatever i know is gonna come closer
1:50:59
to the truth for that young little girl i'm gonna speak out yeah it's someone to be with me anymore because of it i
1:51:06
understand but i'm no longer gonna sit by idle and not do nothing yeah you gotta
1:51:12
you've really helped tremendously uh
1:51:17
can we ask jose what did he know about uh josie
1:51:23
why did he get taken to utah with don wells uh he was the oldest and uh don didn't
1:51:30
supposedly dog didn't want to go alone and josie was very close with his dad i
1:51:35
know that's odd though yeah and in my opinion
1:51:40
i feel that dad was giving him alcohol and drugs and he liked it and in order for him to continue to get it he had to
1:51:47
be with that well that is the second person to confirm
1:51:52
that don had given them oh yes absolutely
1:52:00
vet girls says who put the hole in the wall for the kids to look through
1:52:06
oh that was uh wyatt and uh and wailing they were playing you know
1:52:11
in the steps and when they were coming down the steps um right they were playing with some toy
1:52:17
guns or something like that and it accidentally put the hole in the wall okay that's how that hole wound up being
1:52:24
there that was just a freak accident between kids playing when you say uh but i i want people understand it was uh
1:52:32
it was only one thing of sheetrock right with the studs still showing correct that's why that's why it was able to put
1:52:40
a hole through it if both sides were there and there was insulation it wouldn't have done that
1:52:45
but no the one side to where the stairs was it was just bare
1:52:50
two by fours exactly and nails exposed there that that was my main concern because everything i'm a
1:52:57
big guy and i had to walk down that way you know even and to hear ken and say well my
1:53:03
husband's six foot and he fit down there yeah he's six foot and skinny you know i'm five foot eight 250 and
1:53:10
broad right i had to walk down that way sideways because my shirt kept getting
1:53:16
caught in the nails that were exposed on the 2x4 that's so unsafe uh
1:53:21
wasn't there school wasn't it virtual school closed in 2020 due to covert
1:53:27
uh actually no yeah i guess it depends
1:53:33
where no because they will have to drive the kids down the driveway grandis will
1:53:40
wake up early the kids or the boys will get ready and they will go down the drive path and the school bus will pick
1:53:47
them up to live and that's how they picked up the kids too at 3 o'clock 3 30. also uh jose tell
1:53:54
them what you told me earlier about the camper and the bus and grandis
1:54:00
driving the bus so when i was looking at that video i noticed that they switched things around
1:54:07
so where the camper was located it actually wasn't there when i was there it was more over to the left say like a
1:54:15
good 10 feet then where all the vehicles were lined up the subaru and everything that yellow
1:54:22
bus was parked there literally parked right there it blocked the blue truck that was there
1:54:29
you know and when donnie had returned back from utah he lost it about the bus
1:54:35
being there you know he didn't absolutely did not want it there at all whatsoever
1:54:41
and when candice was showing the little path where you could see the road down where the creek was at
1:54:47
that was never cleared out that had to have been recent because when i was there you couldn't see the road
1:54:53
at all it was just pure trees and brush you know and they kept complaining that the light kept going because you know
1:55:00
when the wind would blow it would rock the line you know so that was all new as
1:55:06
well and then when i noticed that you know the bus is down the hill and then i'm looking because they're
1:55:12
looking at the swing as i told you that was someone's favorite swing right that was her
1:55:19
number one thing but what i found odd was where was her little bicycle she used to
1:55:25
ride where are her dolls at where is the soccer ball and basketball
1:55:31
that was outside that she used to kick around with the boys you know where were the four wheelers at
1:55:38
because i looked and i see dirt bikes i'm like what happened to the four wheelers you know because the boys had four
1:55:44
wheelers uh anything they changed a lot any locks
1:55:51
on basement door dead bolts or a knob with a lock oh yeah they had a knob with a lock but
1:55:58
the lock didn't work because the on the other side where the keyhole was at it was broken you couldn't put a key in or
1:56:05
out so they they wouldn't like lock it lock it but that was why another thing the blue
1:56:12
couch wasn't there either i was shocked because that blue couch would have literally blocked that door that candace
1:56:18
came out of and you have to physically move that couch out of the way in order to open
1:56:24
that door um stay for love 21 says thank you for speaking with such conviction about
1:56:30
summer's livelihood justice for summer and jyn says justin thank you for all your hard work
1:56:37
this thank you to jose for opening up and sharing his experience i haven't had
1:56:42
to listen i haven't had time to listen to the interview just yet thank you both for your time and thank
1:56:49
you to icu as well
1:56:54
okay have we asked jose um about any yard sales that candace would
1:57:00
have no she never had one when i was there no she went she went to yard house
1:57:08
excuse my french but it was the cluster [ __ ] if you know what i mean right there was no
1:57:13
sense of order in that house no sense of organizational skills you
1:57:19
know you would think that you're using two dresses to block a bathroom wall you would think the clothes of the children
1:57:26
would be put in there like as far as i knew growing up that's where underwear socks shorts t-shirts would go inside
1:57:33
and your street clothes were hung up that was another thing that bothered me where the hell did all the summer's
1:57:38
clothes go because where you see all them clothes at that whole top rack that belongs to
1:57:45
summer and it was packed full of clothes for her yeah candace said she went to a
1:57:50
lot of yard sales uh loves jesus uh when did ali press charges we don't know
1:57:55
exactly when ali pressed charges allegedly the only thing we know as she said is
1:58:00
it's taken a long time that they are dragging their we feet allegedly
1:58:07
you want we have verification we have verification on that okay i see you i see you just found it
1:58:15
and the restraining order was filed in october 15 of 2020. so with the
1:58:20
confirmation of yeah the confirmation of jose coming down in the end of may which was the
1:58:28
first race that was uh may of 2020 and he stayed there until the end of october which was
1:58:35
almost november 2020 so he was there for almost six months as he stated
1:58:40
awesome see as i said there's no reason for me to lie you gotta find out
1:58:48
that girl says where was fate uh summer's favorite place around her house
1:58:54
shin forest um and this has to do with the relation of the
1:58:59
property and the road uh when the child had went missing the father had indicated on his first
1:59:05
interview with the news that there was a lot of traffic in that area at all times due to
1:59:12
drugs and stuff of that nature allegedly um when you stayed there at the home did
1:59:18
you witness a lot of traffic traveling there on the road
1:59:25
you mean on ben hill road yes correct
1:59:31
no i did not well i can tell a lot of traffic yeah i
1:59:36
can tell you i was on ben hill road standing out in the middle of the road for about an hour
1:59:42
and there was not one car not one car
1:59:49
that drove past us in one hour
1:59:54
yeah it's a very secluded it's in a it's in a valley you know it's in like a little we call them haulers um
2:00:01
and it goes to a dead-end road and the like it's which i mean it's
2:00:06
it the road more or less ends and it becomes a like a path like a trail um
2:00:13
and you know there's a goat on a on a dog or like a dog chain on one side
2:00:19
and there's a dog on the other that's about all that there is
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um yes so i got one more thing to say to you
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okay i got that one before jose goes i want to tell him okay go ahead
2:00:36
jose i just want to let you know that i want to thank you for myself and for every person that's
2:00:44
watching because prior to yesterday we didn't know summer wells
2:00:50
we didn't know that she was a bossy little girl a fun little girl an adventurous little
2:00:56
girl um what she loved her you know her her meals her favorite drink we didn't
2:01:02
know any of this and and you gave us a sense of knowing a missing little
2:01:09
blond-haired blue-eyed little girl that we've only heard beautiful smile
2:01:16
very rarely have we ever ever heard
2:01:23
and i just want to thank you for humanizing summer for all of us because we didn't know and i just want to say
2:01:30
god bless you sir and thank you so much for helping and talking with us and humanizing that little girl yesterday
2:01:37
meant everything to me that is the main goal uh chasing truth uh
2:01:44
she uh has a channel and she says please thank jose for the insight
2:01:51
you're welcome as much as i could to help out you know i wish i would have as i said i
2:01:56
wish i would have dug in sooner but because of my mental health i couldn't but i believe if i would have delved in
2:02:03
sooner oh i would have jumped on that like white on rice immediately [Music]
2:02:09
i think you really have done a tremendous job um you know giving
2:02:15
everybody a strong insight on you know who this child was
2:02:20
because myself along with you know the whole world who has been following this case
2:02:26
from day one we have not you know heard or known anything about this child that we
2:02:33
have all you know grown to care deeply for so to hear somebody
2:02:39
um you know shed a light on that and share experiences and explain to all of
2:02:46
us you know what type of personality she had and stuff these are things that we
2:02:51
would typically hear from family members and parents but in this case we you know
2:02:58
we have heard minimal so it is greatly appreciated uh to hear
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from you that's what's sad about the whole ordeal that how they're not gonna speak so
2:03:11
you know alive about her like we all knew what type of young girl she was
2:03:16
for me to see these interviews and they're not even talking good about her it's
2:03:22
it's disgusting really difficult you know it's you know it's no nobody
2:03:28
like in the family though in my opinion that we've talked to has humanized
2:03:33
summer until you know we you didn't get a mental image in your head you know what i mean
2:03:40
a vet girl says any locations jose you guys went into the haulers and hills
2:03:47
on on ben hill road uh summer's favorite places around there
2:03:52
was there any places or trails or neighbors yards or anything
2:03:58
[Music] where the kids used to ride the four-wheelers just says this is before
2:04:04
they got the dirt bikes they used to ride through them past where the dogs went with the four-wheelers and summer
2:04:09
will always chase them all the time and she would laugh while she was doing it because she was enjoying herself yeah it
2:04:16
was like she was playing tag with motorbikes you know uh don said that uh
2:04:23
i think he would uh jose would not jose god summer
2:04:28
summer would chase um
2:04:33
sorry i can't think summer would chase uh the the boys on the dirt bikes and i
2:04:40
think chased him when he was doing something i can't remember but
2:04:45
give me one second can i ask a question yeah i've been seeing this question all day
2:04:53
why is his friend 3 000 miles away in the water what's that
2:05:00
why is his phone 3 000 miles away in the water
2:05:05
i have no i don't know what you mean i don't know what it is he said yesterday he threw his phone in
2:05:10
the water three thousand miles away in the water
2:05:17
okay so you threw yeah okay the reason it is there
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uh i might as well just come on and say it just i don't know i wouldn't do it jose no no no don't no no no you have to
2:05:32
no no please don't say it jose right now
2:05:38
i mean yeah we can speak to you privately about that but don't say it right now
2:05:45
yeah trust them they're go back and these are really really good people and we don't want
2:05:52
we want to protect you as much as we can and by the way jose i i'm amanda i see you as amanda in case
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you didn't know that excuse me
2:06:07
all right that's ice cream when you see i if you ever see i see you it's amanda
2:06:13
or amanda yeah uh
2:06:18
you are thank you try me he says he or she keep telling and talking about your
2:06:25
experiences and witnessing of the reality of what went on you are the key to solving this case finally
2:06:31
please keep talking to us and law enforcement very good thank you so much that's my
2:06:38
problem too law enforcement still hasn't contacted me again and i'm like what are you guys waiting
2:06:45
for why are you taking so long but i can't question that because probably they did hear this interview
2:06:51
and they're like look we've already we've already turned it in so anything we do we already turn it in
2:06:57
um so they're probably going like oh yeah he's filling in gaps that we or we
2:07:03
had assumptions we just didn't have someone to actually confirm our you know
2:07:09
our thoughts do you know when the do you know when the fbi uh
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interviewed you thank you dirty laundry okay so actually when they interviewed me
2:07:21
uh i was on vacation and uh you know like i told you my son
2:07:27
had contacted me and i contacted them and i was on vacation actually and
2:07:32
i was this was last year
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sometime in the beginning of the year last year and after that i've never been contacted
2:07:43
ever again no and i even disclosed my location to where i was
2:07:49
to them so that if they needed someone to speak to me in person they would find me right
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you know and no one came to at all yeah
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okay uh thank you dirty laundry for your super sticker if one of the mods could put
2:08:07
her um channel link in i would greatly appreciate it she's one of my favorite channels please go check her out
2:08:15
really good uh just love her videos love her voice too
2:08:20
jose oh sorry do you mind if i asked something really quick uh one second just mama she thank you uh she says
2:08:27
thank you so much jose okay go ahead
2:08:32
okay so i was just curious uh in the time that you spent with the family uh
2:08:37
did the missing child ever speak about church or did the family attend church
2:08:43
at all during that time that you stayed there for the six months
2:08:49
nope i praised in there
2:08:55
the only time god was praised in that home was when grandis would be there and me and her will be talking about her
2:09:02
missing daughter rose yes that's the only time yeah other than
2:09:09
that no the children never went to church or anything i think church didn't start happening
2:09:14
until after the ordeal that i had with doc that i told dog you know god don't like
2:09:20
ugly he's gonna expose the real man that i know you are and when people find out
2:09:25
what kind of dirty name you are your world's gonna come crumbling down and the people you thought had your back
2:09:32
they could expose who you are yeah so none of these like people that now
2:09:38
that you see on like the interviews uh shortly after the child went missing uh
2:09:43
who have been like spokespersons like for the family or anything like that those are not
2:09:50
people that you recognized or knew of like during that time
2:09:56
none of them he couldn't believe it was even like the way candace was acting the other night
2:10:03
um yeah i was shocked appalled like i was looking at her and i'm saying where
2:10:09
the hell is the candice that i know because that is not the woman i remember at all
2:10:15
hair is different her demeanor is different you know she did drink but she never
2:10:21
drank during the day and you know when i saw the chris mcdonald interview
2:10:27
i could officially confirm she's drunk she was drinking
2:10:32
because that's the way she talks when she's under the influence because when she's not she speaks clear as day
2:10:39
so do you feel that the situation was better whenever
2:10:45
you knew them and you were there or do you feel that the situation worsened
2:10:50
after you left the situation oh the situation got a hell of a lot
2:10:56
worse after i left because when i was there i was pulling that family away you know everyone was
2:11:02
when their own thing helping out get in the house in order you know what they started to cook you
2:11:08
know things like that once darling showed up he inserted his like you could say dominance in the house
2:11:15
and i remember a smart remark once i was making um for them
2:11:21
and uh while i was cooking he's like uh where's your maid outfit you know it's just when
2:11:26
a man is in the kitchen cooking and i was like and i looked at him and i was like you know
2:11:32
like you're a disgrace you know like i'm disgusted with you when you
2:11:39
it doesn't matter some of the greatest chefs in the world are meant it has nothing to do with them
2:11:45
exactly uh real men cook that's right um
2:11:52
i do appreciate you honestly uh answering these questions because it gives myself personally a better
2:11:59
insight on you know who you are as an individual because as a creator um you
2:12:06
know i did have some doubts and like question you know hey why did a group of
2:12:11
you know men come in the area and stuff because our minds are so clouded by this entire case and i honestly feel that
2:12:19
with you coming forward and shedding the light that you have it
2:12:24
has helped so much they're the ones who hunted me down and
2:12:30
they were persistent and they weren't disrespectful either you know their main concern was my safety yeah and you know
2:12:39
i was like oh my god why are they worried about me and that's what triggered my mind to say
2:12:46
if they're worried about me something is going on something really bad is going on and
2:12:52
they need me and i prayed you know and i'm like lord what should i do and you know i open the
2:13:00
bible and you know i just started to read and i'm just reading and it's like a
2:13:06
feeling inside of me said yo just pick up a call contact them like find out what's going on and as i spoke
2:13:13
with them and they were explaining to me the situation of the case and i'm literally
2:13:19
in limbo because i wasn't following nothing what was going on everything was new so as they're sending me links
2:13:26
then i started to do the research myself because i never graduated from school i'm self-educated right i believe in
2:13:33
truth seek it through yourself you know it's better if you do research on your own than to believe everyone else oh
2:13:39
absolutely you know so as i started to see what was going on that's what made me say oh no
2:13:46
this if for sure for sure i need to speak out you was a big part of the missing
2:13:54
you know i think we'd talk to everybody else nanakim thank you may i have an iphone
2:13:59
link to join membership thanks uh does anyone have the membership link for
2:14:04
the iphones we'll figure it out for you
2:14:11
thank you so much uh tooth fairy has jose watched the dr phil episode did you know they were on dr phil
2:14:18
no i didn't know okay i'll send that to you i haven't yeah candace and don they went they were
2:14:25
like the beverly hillbillies went to hell i'm sorry hey i'm a hillbilly so don't don't judge
2:14:31
me but you know i can say they were the ones who they needed more than dr phil i personally believe they should be
2:14:39
in a rehab getting serious mental therapy yeah and i mean extensive
2:14:45
yeah because with all this happening and summer's clothes are not there anymore
2:14:51
it's only eight months it's perfect it's gone it's crazy
2:14:59
this says uh thank you cuckoo uh please ask if the kids ever had a
2:15:05
birthday celebrations any of them no nothing it was basically a cupcake
2:15:36
one moment please
2:15:43
yep i'm muted
2:15:48
um but he said about the birthday he said it there was no really a birthday or
2:15:55
birthday party he said it was mainly a cupcake which breaks my heart
2:16:06
thank you robin i just wanted to say thank you so much
2:16:13
for the opportunity to hop up here and for all the kindness
2:16:20
um up here i actually i have an obligation that i have to attend here in the next 45 minutes that i need to get
2:16:26
ready for um but again i truly appreciate the opportunity
2:16:32
of being up here and just want to say thank you and much love to all of you guys
2:16:39
thank you mountain girl i really do appreciate you you're so yes thank you and you had a lot of
2:16:47
thank you you guys all have a great evening and jose thank you you too thank you
2:17:06
can y'all talk about something for a second please
2:17:15
okay hey guys hey i was sitting and i'm like okay
2:17:22
somebody told first
2:17:27
so what are you guys thinking
2:17:34
i have not even i've not even been able to wrap my head
2:17:41
around anything from just taking notes i mean right i'm gonna need a couple
2:17:47
more notebooks but i'm gonna get it all in line and figure this out the best we can
2:17:53
okay uh jose can you tell us about um did was there any
2:17:59
was there ever any birthdays or anything uh yeah they have birthdays but never
2:18:05
celebrated like not real big celebrations but i can tell you
2:18:10
that ally for sure would always get like a little cake or
2:18:15
something for them just to sing them a little something of happy birthday you know so they could like
2:18:39
did we lose him again yeah i had to mute him for a second okay go ahead go ahead jose
2:18:47
jose are you there yeah the violation of federal law
2:19:16
y'all can talk
2:19:21
okay no i thought it was funny but
2:19:26
go ahead i thought it was funny that everybody's saying he called it a seller well in new york
2:19:31
we call it a seller we call it a basement but mostly sellers
2:19:37
yeah yeah i think he's originally from the new york area so
2:19:44
yeah um i i do want to tell you guys in chat that i was able to listen to ally
2:19:52
and hunter's dad and jose's full interview and now even
2:19:57
more today and pretty much everything that they've said
2:20:02
alone together now jose it's pretty much all the same
2:20:07
story you know not as far as you know jose is filling in a lot of the empty plugs
2:20:13
but um they they cooperate a lot and from not really talking to each
2:20:19
other hunter or andrew says that he has talked to him
2:20:24
but jose says that he hasn't and i think andrew admitted that he was getting
2:20:31
information secondhand so he admitted to that on the last live
2:20:38
so um i just wanted to give that information out to everybody because that was
2:20:44
questions that people had you know i think um [Music]
2:20:51
andrew jose is not a rso so could you please
2:20:57
this was a different person that um
2:21:03
i think it was uh i forget her name what's her name
2:21:22
she thought she found jose in north carolina oh
2:21:29
no that's a nobody found
2:21:35
in north carolina another creator said
2:21:48
that's not this same one i know that i understand that but that's
2:21:53
where people are getting the registered you know what offender and
2:21:59
that's that's not jose
2:22:05
okay yes all right moving forward um i need to
2:22:11
that girl need to clarify his length of stay in chat asking yeah okay uh we got
2:22:17
we did the rso thing um and the length of stay was six months it
2:22:23
was from what was at the end of may till the end of
2:22:29
uh october correct yeah yeah okay correct yes thank you
2:22:34
thank you duty ron for joining us uh one of you guys could drop uh
2:22:40
a link uh for dutyron's channel he's literally one of the best in the
2:22:45
business professional and
2:22:51
at all times has this person who may be a witness for the state given his information to tbi yes dude iran
2:22:59
excuse me he has uh we have all given
2:23:05
the information he has also been interviewed by the fbi
2:23:14
can you please jose if summer had any friends her age any
2:23:19
playdates are you there um
2:23:50
um
2:24:09
gotcha
2:24:15
hey molly okay wait for me
2:24:23
molly wave yeah touch your nose
2:24:28
blow a kiss pick your nose [Laughter]
2:24:38
you're funny for an insight for someone you know right
2:24:43
i thought a lot of people would have spoke highly of somewhere but obviously it seems like
2:24:49
just me and ali are the ones who's literally giving out the full perspective of what
2:24:55
this how powerful the influence of this child was on us yeah you know you're the only person
2:25:01
i've ever heard make her human who wasn't what we thought of prior to you i think
2:25:09
anyone other than jose would have probably been ali that just made her right
2:25:15
you gave her a life to me i mean oh yeah because i'm a father and you
2:25:21
know i pay attention to certain details about children you know personally with
2:25:26
my children you know i knew who was going to play instruments who was going to be
2:25:32
in healthcare profession you know who was going to be a musician you know things like that summer
2:25:38
well she was to everything but her main thing was helping people like when her brother got hurt you know
2:25:44
for her falling off of the swing she was the first one to run into the house grab a rag clean it out with water
2:25:52
let me help you let me help you and she would be there oh it's gonna be okay you know attending
2:25:58
lovely caring child you know but looking at that i could say yeah this little girl is gonna be somewhere
2:26:05
in the medical field attending helping people mm-hmm
2:26:12
okay it's molly goliath can i just say something real quick yes and i'll leave you guys alone
2:26:19
because it's probably the whole thing i want to say hello to everyone hey baby and uh
2:26:25
hi hi everyone and then everyone in the chat hello i'm feeling good right now um
2:26:38
there's people thinking that this is a paid actor but he's not really him
2:26:46
sorry no it's a word on youtube ever jose have you ever met
2:26:53
anyone named molly go lightly okay thank you um have you uh
2:27:02
okay go go go ahead uh molly go ahead and talk hi hi jose i'm
2:27:09
marissa i go by molly polightly and i actually went down
2:27:14
uh to the area where she allegedly was snatched
2:27:21
and i did scope out the area and the town and
2:27:27
you know i i did come face to face with don and his lovely bride candace
2:27:35
my question is um are you a do you have any acting credits or
2:27:43
writing credits for tv or movies
2:27:48
do you have any do you have any acting credits or movie credits oh hell no
2:27:55
okay well then you should because you're convincing people that you're an actor now
2:28:02
my point is far beyond that i figured that i figured that out
2:28:10
and you so
2:28:18
um justin personally knows i've disclosed a lot of personal information to him and he could tell you
2:28:26
i am just as normal as everybody else that exactly and i thank you honestly
2:28:32
from the bottom of my heart for someone who has loved and advocated for that little girl and seen
2:28:40
how cold kansas can believe can be and how
2:28:46
how how just unbelievably immature thank you i've gone i don't know if you've known
2:28:52
or seen anything jose but in the past few months that that beautiful baby's
2:28:58
been gone you know kansas you know makes phone calls pranking her family members and
2:29:05
she's made kind of a joke or a mockery out of this situation it's been completely revolting for all
2:29:12
of us to watch i wanted to ask you absolutely yeah okay so like
2:29:17
real quick i just totally wanted to ask you i didn't hear it i didn't finish the interview completely but
2:29:25
would you say in your opinion that candace is capable of anything or
2:29:31
do you think she's a smart person or do you think that she's a person of very low intelligence
2:29:38
uh she's no cards a few cards short of a full deck if you know what i mean
2:29:44
yeah yeah i figured that you got your washer on marissa
2:29:58
yeah [ __ ] you like marissa
2:30:04
hurting uh someone i don't know like from my experience being there like i said
2:30:12
she wasn't abusive at all to someone she was very attentive took care of her
2:30:18
you know she just didn't have the smarts right she was alone basically her
2:30:25
husband left with the state took the older son which is basically after their abandon to fend for herself
2:30:33
you know and it seems like she didn't really have the experience or even the resources
2:30:40
or even the knowledge to know what to do and between me and ally we were the ones
2:30:47
literally you should get it medical maybe you could get food stamps you should get this you know if he left here
2:30:55
then you know we were the ones culture and to get away from this guy because we
2:31:02
knew that he was he was bad you know
2:31:09
absolutely and between the altercations that i've had with can you speak up a little bit jose
2:31:15
are you able to yeah yeah it's like i said that the altercations that i had with him
2:31:21
you know he would insert like his dominance but you know how they say
2:31:26
the weak cowards that pray on the week when they really step in front of alpha
2:31:32
they really show their true colors yeah they don't like to be challenged exactly and when they do get challenged
2:31:38
they're hesitant they're not they'll go for weapons or something to try to insert that they're
2:31:44
stronger with me no and like i said he threw a beer bottle at me it busted and they
2:31:50
tricked my tooth and i lunged at him and i don't think he was expecting that
2:31:55
right and as i said i'm one that grew up in the streets you use the weapon against
2:32:01
me and for my life in jeopardy i'm coming after you yeah it's gonna be no host bart i'm not gonna care who's in
2:32:07
the house you have the right to defend yourself thank you candy star true crime
2:32:13
paranormal justice thank you anna kim thank you for becoming a member
2:32:19
um there we go um
2:32:24
that that wasn't now you know what it was a good question and then i just have another question for you jose babe all
2:32:31
right so like i got to personally speak to hunter we call him macbeth
2:32:37
to to hunter's family his mom grandmother and great-grandmother and i
2:32:44
they i was you know yeah they were very very nice to me from what i saw but i
2:32:49
wanted to let you know that um one of the questions that was brought up
2:32:55
and that i came back from that area in tennessee was hunter
2:33:01
feels like he's completely uh traumatized by the
2:33:07
um uh by the experience that he had do you
2:33:13
think that even for you as an adult that your experience at that house with uh the
2:33:19
lovely bride candice um would you say that you've been
2:33:24
traumatized by this whole situation oh yes absolutely it was happening on my
2:33:30
heart i was telling justin that i wish i would have spoke up when i was there i
2:33:35
felt like a coward for not saying anything you know i felt like i turned back my
2:33:41
back on children that really needed help but at the time
2:33:47
i was a touch and go i didn't know that i was gonna make it the next day because my mental health was completely gone i
2:33:54
had a full psychotic break you know so i it was it was i had to take care of me
2:34:01
before i could take care of someone else you know and that's why i had wind up leaving that
2:34:08
physical altercation with dawn when he got arrested with the gun and everything it just
2:34:14
brought back very bad memories and that's what i was like i need to get out of here because i know for sure
2:34:20
if he enters this home again one of us is not going to come out alive
2:34:28
he shot a flare gun at me oh you see but that's to show you what
2:34:34
he is like that is really him you actually seen his his character you know and then when i
2:34:41
start doing research and find finding out all these fas and everything through the
2:34:47
years i'm like i knew it i knew it i knew it you know
2:34:53
and it was like oh my god and then i felt more guilty like and i was there i could have put a stop to it you know
2:35:00
and it made me really feel horrible and disgusted you know like
2:35:05
honestly when justin was telling me and i'm looking through the videos i remember i probably got two hours of sleep that
2:35:12
night and i looked in the mirror and i was disgusted to even look at myself in the mirror
2:35:18
you know at that point yes i really was i was like man i could have really did something you know and
2:35:25
here i am i'm alive healthy mother my health is strong i'm somewhat
2:35:30
thriving and summer's gone like oh where is this little girl right
2:35:37
and to find out that they loaded up and all of this so what did you need a lawyer for if you had nothing to do with
2:35:44
her disappearing that would be my number one question so for everyone who has a conscience
2:35:51
think about it you're a parent you lost your child you need a lawyer for
2:35:57
why you don't want to cooperate with law enforcement why don't you speak highly of your child
2:36:03
you know what is going on in your mindset that this is happening and my only
2:36:09
conclusion to that is the torment that don put her through
2:36:15
she literally broke her down and rebuilt her the way he wanted her to be
2:36:23
and it was with the temptation and fear with an iron fist yeah that's my only
2:36:29
conclusion to that yeah you know i'll tell you one thing jose like you coming and talking to us
2:36:37
you're you're helping all of us who like really care about this little girl and want justice to to for justin and i see
2:36:45
you to have found you i mean it's just absolutely amazing i'm so shocked that you
2:36:51
gave up you know the youtube community a chance to talk to you
2:36:56
um i think my last and final question is and i hate to do this to you but can you
2:37:03
take us back to the moment where you were when you found out
2:37:09
little can you know plumber wells just made headlines
2:37:15
you don't remember do you remember where you were and your reaction uh
2:37:20
well when i found out about that was when i was interviewed by the fbi
2:37:27
that was the i swear to you because i basically went off grid i had no
2:37:34
social media i didn't need i didn't even have a cell phone at the time you know like i
2:37:40
completely isolated myself from the world because my mental health was not there
2:37:47
and my therapist felt that it would have been good for me to do that because you know i when i started to go to church i
2:37:53
started to read the bible more often and do self-reflection on my life what go what could i have done to make myself
2:38:00
a better person you know every day i wake up i always say i want to be better than what i was
2:38:05
yesterday you know and that's how i think of my life now but that was the first time i found out
2:38:12
about summer they just came to your house excuse me the fbi just like literally
2:38:18
knock on your door or come to your work yeah not my door they went to my son's house
2:38:24
and my son contacted me because i finally you know activated my social media account back
2:38:31
again and i was reaching out to them because when i left it was on very bad terms
2:38:37
with my family and i was trying to reach out to try to fix the bridges that i burned yeah you
2:38:43
know as for the healing process and um my son literally contacted me and he's
2:38:49
like dad that's the eyes here looking for your home like what he's like yeah they need to talk to you
2:38:56
real bad and i'm like okay and i called them to the social media app and
2:39:02
you know what they when they introduced themselves they was like uh do you have to know
2:39:08
what candace fly in the candace hair and the dawn wells and i'm like uh yes
2:39:14
and they were like well when you're just getting you know a disappearance that happened in
2:39:20
tennessee and i'm like a disappearance and they're like it do you remember summer
2:39:27
and i'm like i said youtube i'm like you two about halfway
2:39:32
and he's like what i said have pain that's you know because she's so little and that was what i
2:39:38
called her because she was so tiny and they were like she's been missing and i'm like what
2:39:44
i'm like if she opened the door again and got out the house and they can't find her that was my first remark
2:39:51
yeah because she was known to do that wow you know
2:39:57
oh yes so when you know as i said through all the research and everything that i start looking at the
2:40:03
videos with that one that's coming up well she's intelligent enough she might have been able to open the door you know
2:40:09
full face liar i saw you mean that girl go over the door and walk in and out as he as she's so see fit
2:40:17
you were the ones who snagged the chips for not keeping an eye on her
2:40:23
wow let me ask you a question i'm sorry bobby i i do this
2:40:30
yeah uh so like sometimes when you're like
2:40:35
you know by yourself with your thoughts and you're you're thinking about everything that went on do you
2:40:42
do you believe that there could be foul play do you believe uh kansas was either
2:40:47
you know just a messy mom who didn't pay attention and it could have been an accident and then in a cover-up or
2:40:55
that's what i believe yeah
2:41:04
something happened to her but it wasn't on purpose i'm thinking maybe the kids
2:41:10
were playing with her she got hurt and it was real bad and then because
2:41:15
they didn't want to get in trouble maybe i'm not really sure but what confused me
2:41:23
the most was uh how are you gonna say that somebody went into the house when you got all the
2:41:30
dogs there like i'm telling you dead dogs would bark yes and if and you know
2:41:36
and if you they didn't know you they surrounded you you know
2:41:41
like really surrounded you and they showed their teeth they were not afraid
2:41:47
and they were malnutrition underfed you know dehydrated dogs so of course they
2:41:52
could attack they're agitated you know especially if they don't know you yeah
2:41:58
yeah um [Music] hey jose
2:42:05
yes when don when don went to utah being that he was the one who would take
2:42:10
a shower with summer who bathed her while he was gone
2:42:16
actually summer will go in there alone she's not alone alone but
2:42:23
the majority of the time honestly it would be ali ali
2:42:30
and when ali was done her shirt and pants would be so soaking wet because
2:42:37
summer would splash with water and they would be in there laughing you know it wasn't like she was upset
2:42:43
ally really cared for summer
2:42:49
she was summer's mom moms um how you call that surrogate mother yeah oh yeah bad
2:42:56
[ __ ] she definitely loved his summer very very much
2:43:06
okay yes that that i could confirm for sure the majority taught me as far as
2:43:12
candace i could officially tell you she's a pig she doesn't eat she'll probably vape once a week
2:43:19
um how much more time do you have jose as long as you need me
2:43:27
yeah i just i just if i could be the voice i said it you know i prayed to god i said okay
2:43:34
i think i found the reason why you kept me around lord if she needs a voice i'm
2:43:39
gonna be that one yeah i feel like by you talking you're also
2:43:45
healing from your past through this excuse me
2:43:51
i said i feel like with you talking and being a voice for summer your healing
2:43:57
hurt in your heart i'm very hurt like you know i still
2:44:03
remember pushing her on the swing i still remember the day that i took her
2:44:08
out of that bath when i found out that dawn was in there with her
2:44:14
i'm the one who removed her from that shower i stood there with a towel and i called her and then last summer
2:44:21
and she's like yes jose come out of there baby and she's like okay and dawn you know
2:44:28
started that's my daughter i don't give a [ __ ] who that is to you you a sick [ __ ] you don't do things like
2:44:34
that you can't say i've had a daughter i never thought about thinking about my daughter yeah i don't know
2:44:41
bobby cat says jose we can't give away what we don't have yet you did exactly
2:44:47
what you needed to do all in god's time i can hear the work you did we all
2:44:53
are we are all number team jose or pound hashtag sorry i used to i'm so old i say
2:45:01
pounds oh my god can i ask a question
2:45:06
i'm old too so i understand yes you can more seasoned
2:45:11
yes hi jose i have a question for you when you were
2:45:16
there was there an old refrigerator up there
2:45:22
with the door still on it yeah the green one the one that summer
2:45:27
used to play hide and go seek in okay and and she would go in that refrigerator
2:45:34
oh yeah absolutely they even cut out the shelves from the doors and padded it up
2:45:39
so she wouldn't get hurt you know and it was her favorite hiding spot and if she wasn't in there she was in
2:45:45
grandma's camper in the bathroom there was there there was the doors were
2:45:52
still on there so if the kids were playing hide-and-go-seek and she went into that refrigerator
2:45:58
is it possible that she would have suffocated in that
2:46:04
refrigerator absolutely not there was some there were a few bullet holes in there that
2:46:10
actually ventilated it uh the motor in the back and if it was ripped out to the bottom
2:46:15
um and plus when i i've actually taken apart one of them things so when you actually shaving off
2:46:22
the shelves and things that are on there um you got to take the insulation out
2:46:28
because that alone can can give you respiratory problems so i remember they removed that out of there
2:46:35
and then they put like uh an old foam cushion in between there you know but
2:46:43
if the wind blew you could feel it in there that is for sure that's what you should have nothing
2:46:50
if it was a still day and there was no breeze and the doors got oh no trust me
2:46:56
the air will still get in there especially where they were located
2:47:01
there's always went up there okay okay thank you very much sir
2:47:07
hey do you know it jose do you know if there was any uh webcams indoors or trail cams outdoors
2:47:14
that you knew of uh no actually no okay because there was a lot of signs
2:47:20
that uh that were posted for no hunting and things like that so
2:47:25
allegedly someone had a trail cam
2:47:30
uh down at the road um some people speculate that it was dawn
2:47:38
to see if like candace was cheating that could be a good possibility
2:47:44
you know the man drove 110 miles from utah to tennessee thinking of sleeping with his wife right you know after they
2:47:52
told him i was gay which i could tell you for sure i am not right but um
2:47:59
uh but that was the weirdest part about it because he came and then on his way
2:48:04
coming back to tennessee i spoke to him the two three different occasions
2:48:09
and never once was we were ever hostile to each other you know i was like i'm just renting working a
2:48:16
part-time job you know i'm waiting to go back to my full-time job i just needed a place to
2:48:22
stay he knew about my divorce that i was going through and everything so and he
2:48:27
was like oh okay i said you know i'm actually helping here you know cooking and cleaning
2:48:33
you know i'm actually trying to keep you know trying to get the house together and he's like oh thank you so much you
2:48:39
don't know how much i appreciate it he was very nice but when he got into the house it was a
2:48:45
totally different ballgame uh did you um
2:48:53
what was i going to say you uh oh you said he did he changed like you
2:48:59
said about a week after he was there oh yeah yeah literally right back into
2:49:04
the alcohol he went back to work i think he was going back on trucks as well you know i can't say that i see him
2:49:13
to it but you know growing up around that you can tell you know
2:49:18
i have experience in that especially being an ex-addict you know from
2:49:24
many years ago i can tell right so i would just look at him like he's
2:49:30
gone yeah the hell are you doing you know yeah absolutely
2:49:36
uh like i said licker liquor in budweiser
2:49:41
that fridge you see the red fridge i was talking about as well okay so the bottom part of that fridge
2:49:48
the last two shelves that would be two twelve packs of
2:49:56
on the table with a 12 pack of mountain dew right next to it and this was almost every night
2:50:02
uh that girl says where do you think summer would be right now do you i bet girl when you say that do you mean like
2:50:09
where would she be at like what would she be doing right now or where could she potentially
2:50:21
would be i'm that for sure but if she was home
2:50:27
she would be playing right now she would be even though it's dark outside she would be playing outside and kansas
2:50:34
would tell him to
2:50:39
[Music] thank you tina living for big e she this
2:50:47
is a very interesting comment i think thank you jose for speaking about summer in present tense and not past
2:50:55
um because in my heart i feel she's still of us right
2:51:01
even if we find out the worst in my eyes she will always be alive
2:51:08
as long as you remember them they're alive yeah that's right
2:51:15
um let's see here oh crap
2:51:22
someone did that webcams i i don't know if this question was asked yesterday my brain doesn't work
2:51:29
very well jose do you think what do you think the possibility of
2:51:36
don or candace selling summer
2:51:42
oh that's actually a very good question in my heart
2:51:48
i don't think don would but i think candace would have i really do
2:51:53
not have to see in her actions and the way she is right now mm-hmm i believe
2:51:59
she would have yeah she was very jealous of summer because summer and her dad were very
2:52:06
close you know very attached personally now that i know his demeanor and how he really is it's questionable
2:52:14
to wonder if it was in a different level than a father and daughter type thing
2:52:19
you know yes um well we know that we know that don
2:52:25
has made you know multiple trips to mexico and we do know that
2:52:32
one of his sisters had to go get him out of uh
2:52:38
all the way back to tennessee yep from mexico
2:52:43
that's right out of a drug and poor house and even candace did that too in the
2:52:49
town right there i don't even i don't remember the name of the time
2:52:55
but right then tennessee candace found him in a drug house and she literally slapped him up threw him in the car and
2:53:02
brought it back home and he was strung out did he smoke meth he was gone yes i'm
2:53:09
not sure if he did i think he did and he was strung out and he was missing for
2:53:14
two weeks you know that's a long time to be missing
2:53:21
you know he didn't go to work nobody could contact him
2:53:26
and supposedly candice just happened to find him you know and now that i'm thinking about
2:53:33
it like i don't think it was a chance that she happened to farmington i think he's already done it multiple times and
2:53:40
she knew he was there if she just had enough of it to go get her husband back
2:53:45
that's what i think happened um that girl says what do you think happened to summer
2:53:52
that day well you know after seeing the clip of them
2:53:58
in the waterhole listening to hunter's story and stuff and even after the
2:54:04
picture you sent me of her lean on the the gallons of milk and heard my remark
2:54:10
i said oh that's typical her yes that is like what you looking at that's her like
2:54:16
she really would do that you would be amazed that the physicians should see this girl fall asleep or where
2:54:23
you know that's how she was so for those events i was like
2:54:30
my cuz my concern was when
2:54:35
during the interview with mcdonald when she came out and said oh she just jumped
2:54:40
up you know that's not summer when you woke someone up she just wanna
2:54:46
jump up she was a fighter she if she fell asleep you had a hard time getting
2:54:52
her up the majority of the time one of us would have to pick her up and take her out of the
2:54:58
truck until she fully woke up and then she was she would ask you can you put me down
2:55:04
i'm awake now that is something so uh it's really hurt so summer was
2:55:12
hard to wake up absolutely said oh she would sleep so 8 10 even 12
2:55:20
if i let her that's an actual fact that is an actual fact that girl would
2:55:26
sleep that is an actual fact uh jose
2:55:32
if the baby went missing june 15 do you remember the date that the fbi interviewed you
2:55:41
i think when they interviewed me they said she was already missing seven or
2:55:47
eight days i believe it was oh wow about a week then they caught up with
2:55:53
you that's what you found out that so you that's how you found out and
2:55:59
did they did you ask them why they thought you were a suspect or did they
2:56:04
just tell you the way they were questioning me i felt like they thought that i took her and i
2:56:24
and that's when it started to diverge towards candace and dawn the minute i spoke up for myself like that
2:56:32
you know and i started to tell them well you know when i was there you know and then i
2:56:38
explained to them how the house was you know how unsafe it was
2:56:44
and they were like oh yeah yeah yeah you know we already know about those things like it was nothing like they were more
2:56:50
concerned about dom and kansas than anything else like that was fairly focused
2:56:56
do you think candace is going to have to face her demons
2:57:02
uh or do you like do you think they've been case on her oh this believe it or not i believe it's
2:57:10
weighing heavy on her and that's why she can't keep her story straight because her conscience is starting to
2:57:17
kick in and further further keeps going the more and more is going to eat at her
2:57:23
and you know i'm just waiting to see which one of them is going to flip off each other
2:57:29
because i know what's going to happen okay and then someone has a question in
2:57:34
the audience i'm sorry justin but someone said molly can you ask ask jose
2:57:40
um all right can you give the dollar amount where's that the dollar amount i gave you jose the money that i gave
2:57:47
you excuse me well you got the money
2:57:54
somebody was saying that uh molly paid you and i paid you for the interview how much did i give you i
2:58:00
never got one penny from anywhere are you calling me a deadbeat jose
2:58:06
okay all right so you're calling me a zeppy all right glad we
2:58:12
dan well we can fix get up because just there's a lot of ridiculous little things being tossed around anyway i'm
2:58:19
going to jump down and listen but i want to say thank you jose for doing this with
2:58:24
justin thank you i see you for helping and all the ladies that are talking and everyone that's in this chat
2:58:30
god bless you jose um i really hope that this ends and i thank you personally for
2:58:36
cooperating with the authorities and sharing so much heaviness with us and i
2:58:43
say god bless you and take care of yourselves okay jose thank you god bless you as well okay
2:58:49
bye-bye thank you molly thank you molly thank you molly okay
2:58:56
that's funny so they say that people are paying money
2:59:08
yeah i know i know but it's just it's just trust me exactly
2:59:15
there's that's that's why i haven't divulged it they don't won't say it yeah if they only knew they would that
2:59:22
that would never be brought out yeah their mouths would drop yeah right
2:59:30
but uh there's you know there's a lot of people who want to protect don and candace
2:59:36
uh and sadly i feel like some of them just literally want to protect them and
2:59:43
you know if that's their agenda god bless them i guess whatever they but it's you know we're going to
2:59:49
find this law enforcement's going to find this kid and we're just trying to
2:59:58
help along the way and those sympathetic people got a rude awakening when that truth is flushed out
3:00:04
there oh absolutely god reveals he reveals an abundance he
3:00:11
doesn't do it little by little he's going to overfill it in a way where evil is going to be exposed that
3:00:18
they're going to look at themselves like oh my god how stupid was i so naive you know right and that's how god
3:00:25
exposes things right amen here's a question for jose
3:00:33
do you feel that candace manipulated you when you were there
3:00:38
oh yeah absolutely yeah absolutely you know especially in certain situations where she was talking
3:00:45
about stories but you know once the black
3:00:51
said the people truth started to come up you know that i would be very close pay
3:00:56
very close attention to the things she's saying because she wasn't too drunk or she was drunk enough and they say liquor
3:01:04
is a secret truth sir and believe me the things that used to come out her mouth my mouth would drop
3:01:10
wide open like what and you know and i would pay close attention to those things
3:01:17
and she would you know she may me you know believe that dumb efforts dog just left
3:01:23
it didn't want anything to do with her and then slowly for surely she's on the phone with him asking him for money for
3:01:30
the kids that she didn't want to go to utah when was she coming back it was like i don't know i'm thinking about
3:01:36
selling the property and she said no just come back home and he's like okay we have to talk about it you know and
3:01:43
that's when i knew oh you were those so you you're making me feel like you're
3:01:49
the victim and in fact you're in cohorts with this guy you're still talking to me you know it's like
3:01:56
so little things like that just started to come out and then you know ali was there too during some of those
3:02:03
conversations she could confirm it as well on how it was even great this was there now what grant is she was the one
3:02:11
definitely who didn't want them to back together again because she knew that donnie was very
3:02:17
bad hey jose uh did how many cell phones did
3:02:23
candace have that you knew of three she had three cell phones
3:02:38
why did she have three cell phones no i do because the kids broke the other two and she only kept them because they
3:02:45
had video games on okay so yeah she didn't have three active cell phones
3:02:50
okay okay
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okay well that's a big difference i have a drawer full of cell phones i literally have a drawer full of cell
3:03:03
phones i just cracked my day for yesterday as i showed you
3:03:11
just to guys a cell phone signal because if not we had to drive almost four miles
3:03:16
down the river to get a good civic to speak uh beth jarvis that is uh
3:03:23
factually untrue there was not only
3:03:28
he is not an esso and there's nothing of that is true
3:03:37
he wasn't even arrested when he was in tennessee whatsoever
3:03:44
that's impossible no way i know i know but it's just
3:03:50
it did there's some listening to him he sounds like the type that would kick somebody's ass for touching a child yeah
3:03:57
well yeah exactly that's why he pulls them out of bathtubs with uh men who want to take showers
3:04:04
with her daughter you know absolutely
3:04:09
yeah exactly clementine
3:04:14
i mean i want to set the record straight i have looked at the national register
3:04:21
daily he's not on any of them never has been
3:04:28
ever it didn't happen right
3:04:35
um if i die i'd die with a clear conscience you know that's right for sure
3:04:46
yeah and uh yeah that's another good thing bambi uh candace said she jumped up like nothing
3:04:54
yeah no that's not supper hell no why didn't you summer was a fighter she was
3:05:00
asleep she was tired she ain't hearing it she looked at you like he was crazy and
3:05:05
went back to bed that was summer i love that
3:05:10
yeah she will open up the one eye look up at you and be like yeah whatever
3:05:16
oh
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there baby come on somewhere we gotta go we gotta go and you should just crack the eye open and look
3:05:37
and i'll be like well you don't have to look at me like that and you should just close back her eye and go back to sleep
3:05:43
you know
3:05:51
21 exactly boom well said um
3:05:59
jose was summer like a tomboy or did she like girly things
3:06:04
would she want her head shaved that doesn't sound like summer i mean
3:06:10
she did didn't like the way her mother combed her hair but then again her mother was so rough
3:06:16
but when me and ab combed her hair it she never was like that
3:06:22
she actually enjoyed to get her hair combed she loves to play with nail polish and
3:06:29
perfume and smell like a girl but you know when it was time to go play
3:06:35
she didn't want no shirt on her top she didn't want no shoes off her feet that was a straight country girl you know
3:06:42
that definitely was a country girl like the shirts father she would take it off
3:06:47
in front of everybody and we would be like what are you doing baby it's too hot you know that's the shoes
3:06:53
i'm too hot i'm going outside to go play and that's how she would go play
3:06:58
um jose uh what was going to say does he understand
3:07:05
um oh you you mentioned the uh
3:07:10
that that picture that i sent you of her laying on the milk jugs
3:07:17
and you said this off the bat as soon as you seen it you said first you said that's summer that
3:07:24
she can sleep on anything the second thing you said is i've never seen her in clothes that nice
3:07:31
exactly because she was always dirty she was always playing constantly this is not i
3:07:38
mean constantly playing i'm running around grabbing rocks
3:07:43
playing in the dirt and that girl could not keep clothes clean
3:07:48
so to see her in that beautiful outfit and that suspect right there in there right
3:07:54
now then it's summer like no way look at the tick tock videos that should be proofing up you don't see
3:08:01
her dancing outside in the rain look at the dress right it's muddy
3:08:10
so when you look at that picture and look at that video automatically reflects it there wait a minute
3:08:16
wow why is she so clean like that if she just came from a swimming home
3:08:23
she's got a lot of pictures of her children on tick tock and
3:08:28
i mean she to me i felt like and maybe you can help me you know understand this
3:08:33
but i thought she would take her children away from the house and and go to places and
3:08:41
do things with her children all the time yes she would just to get out of that
3:08:47
house yeah especially you know fishing you know hiking this is what i mean this
3:08:53
was summer's thing because summer didn't like to be in the house she always wanted to play
3:08:58
so that's what candace would do she would leave take them out
3:09:03
to go fishing things like that but when they came back summer was never that clean
3:09:09
oh my god summer will have her hair all wet which still sticks and things in
3:09:14
it the extra skin would have you know you know mud from the floor and things
3:09:19
like that hands and nails are dirty for throwing rocks you know
3:09:24
that's the way she would come back is candace in is candace in here
3:09:31
jose if summer fell asleep in the car would candace take her out of the car or
3:09:37
just leave her until she woke up uh that would depend that really would depend sometimes we
3:09:44
would uh i remember one time she did do that but she left the doors like wide open we were taking the food out
3:09:50
there were watered off water bottle packages in the back and i was carrying in there and she was trying
3:09:58
to wake up summer and summer just looked at her and just went like right back to sleep like i said that's a typical
3:10:04
summer and she looked at her mother like i listen mom leaving sleeping and
3:10:09
the doors will be wide open and she would just sleep and then
3:10:14
eventually you know the awareness that summer come on baby get
3:10:20
home let's go play and eventually she would get up slowly groggy
3:10:26
you know and we would get her off of the truck and then she was her eyes
3:10:33
and she was like okay i'm awake now you could put me down and she would
3:10:38
you would put her down as slowly she walked she probably would ask for something to
3:10:44
drink sometimes she gave it to her and boom it was like a like a recharge to her battery because
3:10:52
then she
3:10:59
uh thank you coffee crayons and crime uh
3:11:04
they say uh thank you jose for loving summer jose is it fair to say that candace
3:11:11
mother the only way she knew how hold on one sec just one second before you answer that uh chia crimes uh thank you
3:11:18
for the interviews we got to know the real summer fun full of energy and love
3:11:24
thank you so much gia crimes okay go ahead jose
3:11:29
jose i was just asking do you think it's a fair statement to say that candace
3:11:34
mother the only way she knew she knew how yes absolutely
3:11:40
especially when i found out candace's past little by little which i'm pretty sure she hasn't
3:11:46
divulged to everybody but listen trust me it's why i came to the
3:11:52
conclusion you know of a remark you know of something i was told a few years ago
3:11:57
you know hurt people hurt people you understand
3:12:02
absolutely and candace was very candice is definitely one that was
3:12:08
traumatized by the actions of her mother and it was bad for her so she did the
3:12:15
best she could do whatever she knew you know it wasn't
3:12:21
she didn't have it like that either you know candace can't just definitely was handed a
3:12:28
shitty hand in life as well yeah you know absolutely i i thought of her as some you know
3:12:36
accepting anything that she could get any attention she could get
3:12:41
she would accept whether it be good or bad you know and
3:12:47
i think that goes for candace and probably summer you know i mean can't or summer just wanted attention i
3:12:54
think that's why when they started going to church that is when uh
3:13:01
that's when you know she started you know liking robin because robin
3:13:06
showed her attention robin was pretty you know robin was bubbly
3:13:12
and i think that's personally right i also saw that video
3:13:18
too and i could tell you from personally being around someone she would definitely have attached herself to
3:13:25
robin for sure did you ever witness any bruises on summer
3:13:31
other than the ones that she put on herself for being a child
3:13:39
um guys don't don't do not time out zero filter jewels
3:13:46
um just so you are aware justin you are
3:13:51
being streamed live okay by who um
3:13:56
you know bk okay and um that's against terms so
3:14:04
it sounds like uh jose candace is probably listening right now
3:14:11
yes would you like to give her a message hey candace
3:14:17
i know you know it's me you are all people know me
3:14:22
and if uh you listening girl johnny ain't around the world
3:14:30
can't control you he can't tell you what to do anymore he can't hurt you
3:14:35
you know that man did a lot to you girl and i know because you admitted it to me
3:14:40
i know what you're feeling girl this is a time girl
3:14:47
it's not your voice back something he had denied you for years
3:14:53
you got it back don't let nobody tell you what to say or what to do
3:14:58
you should just finally stand up and just speak up like literally whatever happened you
3:15:05
know whether good or bad just speak out because that man did torment to you he
3:15:11
tortured you and i remember everything you told me every single thing every time we sat on
3:15:18
that table and you started drinking
3:15:24
oops you're breaking up jose
3:15:35
jose hold on
3:15:44
are you there okay here okay yeah
3:15:51
go ahead you know
3:16:00
don't forget that when done he was gone and you were crying away you used to sneak up and lay right behind me on my
3:16:07
bed just to feel comfort because you felt so alone
3:16:12
you know i bet you you didn't tell nobody that either teach you i'll be right back
3:16:18
and audi can confirm that you know and that's why ali got upset because you knew ali had something for
3:16:25
me and kept getting off that bed just to feel warmth by me to see what it was like to be cuddled
3:16:31
and loved with affection and i bet you you didn't tell anybody that either
3:16:37
and i'm glad i'm letting the everyone know this because you and i know the truth allen
3:16:44
knows the truth because she was there hunter was there he could confirm it as well too
3:16:50
so you got all of us literally could confirm how you were
3:16:55
feeling and what you were going through you know and all that pain and suffering
3:17:00
and we kept telling you that that man was no good you know and every time he would pull
3:17:06
away you would go back to him and here goes your chance he's locked up
3:17:14
you see he hasn't learned his lesson look what's coming out of the woodworks girl this is the chance for you to finally
3:17:20
put the demon where he belongs so my advice to you is for you to stand
3:17:26
up you know if you don't feel strong enough pray girl close your eyes
3:17:33
put your hands up say jesus give me that strength you know i'm tired of being scared i'm
3:17:39
tired of not knowing what to do anymore please help me and i guarantee you the lord is going to open up windows doors
3:17:47
in a way that you would never see possible so here goes your chance girl i'm
3:17:52
telling you as a friend because i'm talking to you like you my enemy i'm talking to you the way i've
3:17:58
always spoken to you in that kitchen table
3:18:03
because i always treated you with respect and kindness and you knew from the door i would do
3:18:09
anything for y'all as long as it was in the world that i was able to do it
3:18:14
so i just ask you to just come clean if you know anything
3:18:22
and that's what i have to say that was very nice thank you
3:18:29
yes any uh questions
3:18:38
jose do you have any questions for us um
3:18:45
not really i'm quite shocked at the attention don't get
3:19:02
unfolding it's like i feel like it's god saying hey
3:19:09
here goes your purpose this is why i didn't let what happened to you happened to you yeah you want to cry you really
3:19:16
want to reveal yourself here is your time to redeem yourself you know
3:19:22
and that's exactly what i'm gonna do and i'm not gonna lie about it i'm gonna admit what i saw
3:19:28
and if it makes me look as a bad person so be it of course you're gonna see the good and bad and everything
3:19:35
that's the way it should be you know right but you shouldn't
3:19:40
if you're not doing nothing when i was there you know it everyone makes
3:19:45
mistakes you know shoulda coulda woulda's but it was the opportunity where
3:19:52
you know someone don't have a voice nobody's speaking up for her like you know she's not a piece of
3:19:58
material that you could just throw in the trash or forget about within a day or a couple of months are you crazy the
3:20:05
impact that that girl has had in my life i will never forget her ever
3:20:10
wow that's that's awesome and that's something her parents have
3:20:16
never said you know she's had an impact in my life
3:20:22
like really she really was one of the
3:20:27
it's like i said she is one that can teach you more than you can teach her
3:20:33
because she will make you look into yourself on how you speak to people and how you behave and that's the kind
3:20:40
of aura she had
3:20:51
okay um i'm i'll be back y'all i'll be right
3:20:58
back okay all right let me look here
3:21:06
everyone failed summer yeah that's true everyone did
3:21:19
you know but it was like i see you said that whatever happened was summer saved the
3:21:25
boys right it really did you know and the candace is listening to
3:21:33
this as well you know as as quickly as god gave you what you have
3:21:39
he will take it away especially when you abuse it and you take it for granted
3:21:47
yeah you know and the reason the children are not there candace it's because god so fit
3:21:54
that he didn't want the children being hurt by you or dawn anymore dare to be
3:22:01
different you are absolutely right candace doesn't know how to survive without dawn she has minimal education
3:22:08
poor marketable skills and intellect impairment dr uh and
3:22:13
intellectual impairment drug and alcohol addictions and she's she hangs she hangs out with
3:22:20
those people yeah absolutely she doesn't have the right
3:22:25
support system behind her because if she did it would be it means that what that
3:22:31
woman is capable of doing she knows how to build the home as well you know she has the intro to build the
3:22:38
wall she knows how to drywall how to do floors she's not really that dumb
3:22:44
at all that woman can do things but to be you know constantly put down and
3:22:51
spoke a different way being cheated on you know alcohol taken over
3:22:57
she feels that she can't do anything you know because that's what's constantly pounding in her head
3:23:04
you know for so many years so many so many years and we as the people gotta as i said you
3:23:11
gotta think of it as in the victims perspective is no longer what we think we've got to be a victim
3:23:18
to understand her mentality and it's only when you are a victim that you
3:23:23
understand what she's going through right just keep pounding on her speak the truth
3:23:34
slowly pull her away because that's what i was doing when i was cooking and cleaning doing laundry i
3:23:41
was showing her this is what a man really does like this is a man man this is what we
3:23:48
do we love you we care for you we're there not only to provide a roof
3:23:54
shelter and food but we're supposed to be there to protect you and comfort when
3:23:59
you feel you ain't good enough we are the men to come and say baby you are more than enough in my life
3:24:07
you know you give me that choice so i got your back well that's what a real man does there
3:24:12
you go that's what a real man does um but sadly there's a lot of
3:24:19
you know very sorry men in this world and you know when um chris mcdonough
3:24:26
went through her home and the front door was opened the first thing that came across my mind
3:24:33
was pain that there was a lot of pain in this house there was a lot of
3:24:38
hurt in this home a woman doesn't keep her home like this this woman is
3:24:45
there's something that's hurting her there's there's pain here exactly you know
3:24:51
i was taught you know by my mother a home is a wolf is a reflection of a
3:24:57
woman's self-esteem self-esteem inside that's a good little look it's the reflection
3:25:05
you know that's why they say a woman the house belongs to the woman because
3:25:10
she wants her home to look a certain way now i want the curtains this color i like this furniture i want my floors to
3:25:16
look like this notice it's not the mainland who's asking for this it's the woman so automatically it's teaching you
3:25:25
that a home is the reflection of a woman you know and the majority of men
3:25:31
they lapse at that they don't see that they don't realize that and grasp that concept that you know okay i get you
3:25:39
work you're slaving for it you want to rest i get it but you knew when you got into the
3:25:45
relationship with this woman that you promised her i'll do anything
3:25:50
for you as long as you're going to be with me so you gave up the right to say i want i
3:25:56
want i want it's no longer i want it's not what do we need
3:26:01
because it's no longer i it's us because it's not your life and another
3:26:06
life in one home and if she wants her home a certain way
3:26:12
then you should provide that home the way she acts for it because as far as i
3:26:17
know from my failed marriage happy wife happy life right if if the wife is not happy the
3:26:25
whole entire house is thrown off yeah that's why i i felt you know there was a
3:26:32
lot of pain in that house i mean there was just there was no soul it was empty no
3:26:38
yeah it really was and often i is it a fair statement to say that
3:26:46
as viewers looking in on candace one of the things that i feel in my opinion
3:26:53
that she has no self-worth she has no like she's soulless just broken
3:27:01
like just and it's been years of this not just right now this has been her whole life
3:27:09
has been nothing but pain is it fair to say that yes absolutely especially what i know
3:27:17
about her past absolutely absolutely no one has given her
3:27:24
that time you know to hey girl let's do this together and then give her
3:27:31
the wheel to take trump right you just sit there and guide her you know i never
3:27:36
just sit there and guide her into it you know no one ever took the time to do that
3:27:43
and you know i remember as what i was saying i remember the first time i cooked in that home
3:27:49
she was shocked her mouth dropped her eyes opened up even her mother it's like what are you
3:27:56
doing uh i'm cooking and they're like says when two men could
3:28:01
what and can i do can i just say something real quick
3:28:08
and i know i i think other people have said this but
3:28:13
you have taken all the bits and pieces we have
3:28:19
heard rumored around the inner around youtube streets
3:28:26
that were never clarified or verified there were just to be rumors and you've
3:28:31
taken it all and put it all together for us
3:28:37
and never once stuttered uh you never once
3:28:42
sound confused like you're trying to make something up you have clarified sir
3:28:49
so much for us and you have made
3:28:54
summer a real person instead of just a name
3:29:00
and you have brought some great attention to this caser and i thank you so much
3:29:08
yeah i thank you for that you really have made summer a true little girl in all of
3:29:16
this in all of this she really is
3:29:21
you know she was alive she was a person she's a child of god she had a soul
3:29:27
just like every one of us you know and she definitely was pure of heart okay
3:29:34
what you say on what little bad habits you had and for you to go and talk down about your
3:29:41
daughter the way you did that should be a shame on you because a child is supposed to be a child they are naive
3:29:48
they don't know the kids of this world you know i always say a child is never
3:29:53
born racist it is raised that way and until you realize that is when you
3:29:59
understand their pure of heart you know and when they look at you you know
3:30:05
a powerful line i can say in the child's eyes mother is god
3:30:12
you know because you come from a woman you literally that child came
3:30:18
from candice like you bore her for nightmares you suffered the labor painting
3:30:24
you suffered endless nights of cravings
3:30:37
oh you're breaking up again jose
3:30:44
she's this regular kid oh and this kid is beyond
3:30:49
regular there was nothing regular about summer some of that was special
3:30:56
and you could
3:31:09
jose
3:31:15
just one second
3:31:27
you know and i and i'm just me talking about her i i'm holding that my tears
3:31:40
it's hard to hold those emotions aside really experience you know her around
3:31:46
you and also to be a parent you know as big father
3:31:57
my own children and trust me there's not a day that goes by
3:32:03
that i don't regret everything i've never said my actions i regret it so much
3:32:10
but it's in god's hands how he chooses to fix it all i could do is pray for it and wait
3:32:18
well i think it's on the way to recovery excuse me i think it's on the way to
3:32:24
recovery though yeah and that's the way i see it you know god's good and ready to see fit
3:32:31
that i'm ready to embrace my children again to feel that warmth to see my truth smiles you know
3:32:39
my little girl again you know because she's grown but to me that's my little girl you know
3:32:46
that's my baby that's my princess you know and i look at summer and i'm
3:32:51
like that's exactly how she is a princess yeah you know
3:32:57
she should have never lived like that at all whatsoever you know if people never seen the video
3:33:04
you know look at that mcdonald video
3:33:09
literally freeze it watch the video and freeze it
3:33:15
look at the clothes everywhere empty bottles everywhere trash
3:33:21
everywhere just freeze it you just stare at it for five
3:33:27
minutes and it looked at your home and compare it to that and that's the
3:33:33
kind of the woman was living for her her five years of life
3:33:38
and then look at yourself to say what child deserves to live like that
3:33:46
i agree okay um jose
3:33:52
did you get the video i sent you the other night when i don't remember if it was when we were
3:33:57
on the phone or if it was in the love but i sent you a video of summer dancing
3:34:02
in the rain that's what i was saying look at her with that dress does that dress look
3:34:08
clean to you it doesn't does it it's muddy isn't it
3:34:13
yes sir at the very least they were neglectful
3:34:20
parents at the very least absolutely absolutely 100
3:34:26
yes but there's a there's a lot of neglectful oh yeah absolutely you know even with
3:34:33
the boys it was like that too like i think when they used to come home they have to do their homework she would tell
3:34:39
them do your homework and they would be stuck on what to do and
3:34:44
he didn't have the intelligence to help them do the homework at all and grandis didn't have the
3:34:51
patience either you know she knew they knew what to do but
3:34:56
sometimes you know you gotta work around the kids and encourage them you know to do it on their own but still be there
3:35:03
guide them help them make it interesting try to make it fun you know and before you know it they'll
3:35:10
grasp it they'll do it and it's done you know and that's when i started to take over and i started to help the boys
3:35:16
with the homework make sure you know boo is getting done next thing you know they're helping me with dishes they're helping me put
3:35:22
clothes away and they never fought with me never looked down on me ever and they
3:35:28
never spoke back to me in in any harsh way at all when i spoke to them i spoke
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to them with love and care and the boys will always tell me we love you jose
3:35:40
you're so nice and i'm like why do you say that and then like we
3:35:45
like it when you help us with our homework you know and i'm like oh i'm so glad so what did the teachers say about
3:35:52
your homework and you know and they would i would ask them how their day was in school if they got
3:35:57
into a fight or you know um did they learn something new you know they weren't doing that with their children
3:36:03
that's how you interact with your child because you're not going to know your child because a portion of today
3:36:11
your child is in school so us as parents we have to realize
3:36:16
you know how we're going to know the personality of our own child if we don't find out
3:36:23
what they're learning and going through to the day at school because those activities alone will let
3:36:28
you know the personality of your child you know what these people are teaching your child
3:36:35
you know and then if you feel something's not being taught right that you as a parent should speak
3:36:41
out open up your mouth say something be interactive be more involved and the more you do that the people
3:36:47
respect you more better not mess around with this one this one's on top of his child you know
3:36:54
hey uh did uh did anyone ever fall on those stairs
3:37:02
i have um candice has definitely a few times candace fell down those tears
3:37:07
drunk ali's falling down those stairs uh hunter has why it has
3:37:13
uh i don't know about someone i don't think someone ever did decker was agile like she reminded me of a cat in a way
3:37:21
you know she could bounce all over the place but she could take a licking and keep going
3:37:26
you know she would hit herself a little wine maybe 30 seconds a minute and then she's right back at it girl
3:37:33
didn't you just kill her are you doing the same thing again it's okay i think those kids had to be because they had to
3:37:40
survive yeah basically yes you know they didn't have
3:37:46
the warm fuzzy love you know mom read you a bedtime story
3:37:55
you know they had mom dad passed out on the couch
3:38:00
you know feed yourself that's why they needed a frozen pizza all the time
3:38:06
absolutely in the little little makeshift oven that was
3:38:11
they didn't even buy dawn found it outside cleaned it up brought it into the house it was a oven and that's what
3:38:18
they used to heat up the pizza yeah you know and
3:38:24
that's basically what was their diet pizza cupcakes
3:38:30
potato chips pretty pretty is this pretty does says thank you jose they learned what true love is
3:38:37
through you i have a couple questions okay
3:38:43
where was their wood stove in the center
3:38:48
okay the basement was there we go us new is called a cellar
3:38:54
you do i'm sorry because it's a seller i did not know that i did not know that
3:39:03
a basement i call it a basement
3:39:16
ours is all fixed up like another part of the house and we call it a basement that's what you call a basement
3:39:23
when it's fixed up but there wasn't a basement painted but
3:39:28
it was a dungeon yeah the way they had it that's a summer that's the dodger basically yeah
3:39:39
on the wall one wall that was all cinder blocks are just painted but you see where those beds was at on the bunk beds
3:39:47
you know if chris would have said uh can i see behind the bed he would have saw all the
3:39:53
milky ways on the cracks or all he had to do was look up at the
3:39:58
ceiling he would have saw the holes in the floor for the heat he was scared
3:40:04
yeah he was that's what she's saying she's saying if you know all the mold behind the bed and
3:40:09
stuff oh yeah absolutely you know and then the floor is
3:40:16
concrete flat there's no cushion no padding nothing
3:40:21
concrete floor did the did the basement ever flood or anything no not that i know
3:40:28
i didn't it probably didn't because it was up on that hill so was there a room behind candace's bed
3:40:36
no there's no room there that was the center block wall
3:40:43
there was and
3:40:58
if you would have saw that house when i was there from the outside wouldn't mean exactly what the inside
3:41:05
looked right to yes
3:41:12
did you ever know that candace to give the kids anything to make them go to sleep at night
3:41:20
no they actually went to bed on their own they would give a little fight who
3:41:25
wouldn't their kids they're supposed to you know but you know i never she never gave no
3:41:32
drugs no no medicine to force them to ever tell them at school night to get to bed
3:41:39
catch your bedside get your ass in
3:41:49
that was his intimidation factor to make everybody
3:41:57
one more question have you talked to since you left there have you talked to anyone like candace
3:42:04
andrew jeff any of them no uh uh when i left uh the last person i
3:42:12
spoke to was candace and that was a month after i had left
3:42:19
because i had looked on facebook and i saw the super and i just shot her a message on when
3:42:26
did you get the new car she's like don bought it from me
3:42:31
you know like i freaked out like didn't i tell you to stay away from that guy
3:42:36
she's like i love him he loves me and you know it's the brainwashing mechanism you know
3:42:44
from that moment on i just pulled away like forget it there's nothing i can do anymore you know
3:42:51
like you know hopefully something will happen you know to click
3:42:56
in her mind or anything like that and at the time i had my own problems too and i was drinking too you know
3:43:04
going to the divorce so who am i to speak i'm only going to look like a hypocrite as well you know so
3:43:11
i was just trying to get my life in order
3:43:17
yes
3:43:25
um uh me uh
3:43:32
me me too for explain to me how you think the timeline
3:43:37
he says there doesn't add up please explain to me
3:43:45
they came they came whenever the uh the nascar
3:43:51
thing was going on grandis took him to south carolina
3:43:56
in october it's there's nothing else that's absolutely correct
3:44:05
because andrew said they went there like september 19th of 2020
3:44:13
september 19th he said andrew said that y'all went
3:44:19
there september 19th of 2020. no i don't think so
3:44:24
no no no not no september there's a reason why he's not i mean i mean maybe he did
3:44:30
alone but uh something is off with that
3:44:36
yeah absolutely [Music] remember because every hotel that we
3:44:41
went to they kept saying it was full that they had no vacancies due to the
3:44:47
nascar races and andrew was pissed he started crying you know he kept apologizing and kept
3:44:54
saying it wasn't that is not what not the fall race the
3:44:59
spring race i have a question
3:45:05
somebody in chat's asking jose did candace ever tell you
3:45:13
about a baby girl that she gave up for adoption
3:45:26
said no okay thank you sir
3:45:40
andrew said beginning of race week that was may jose left after the
3:45:47
po was let go about october 30th
3:45:54
what's po uh protection order
3:46:00
order of protection oh that's when don and k yeah yeah dawn gotcha okay that was the altercation that you mean don
3:46:13
yes which is partially the reason why he is in jail today
3:46:21
hello dollyvision good to see you hello dollyvision
3:46:28
hey dolly hey jimmy
3:46:34
jimmy jams yes it is in bristol exactly
3:46:42
through ally sleeping beauty
3:46:48
okay jose do you think that candace trusted men more than she trusted women
3:46:55
absolutely she seems to have this but i could definitely tell you ally was
3:47:02
the the closest woman she has ever trusted
3:47:08
right because it came off to me that as if she never
3:47:14
you know she didn't trust women at all in her life
3:47:21
especially after what she's been through
3:47:27
absolutely hey uh did grandis abuse drugs
3:47:37
not while i was there absolutely not okay
3:47:43
she wouldn't even drink at all she hated when we drank if we ever drink she was
3:47:50
mad as hell okay oh yeah
3:47:57
i agree renee all right um well we have been on here
3:48:05
for three hours and 48 minutes so um
3:48:10
one more please okay go for it if you don't mind jose um was
3:48:17
is candace on any type of disability does she receive any
3:48:22
compensation from the government for anything like that if i'm allowed to ask if i'm not i'm
3:48:28
sorry um as far as i know no disability or
3:48:34
anything i do remember her getting food stamps
3:48:40
for the kids right she did get food stamps
3:48:45
while i was there she did you know she had to because oh that's
3:48:51
when don was in uh and he left her with nothing yeah yeah well that's a love
3:48:57
that's a lovely relationship isn't it whenever your man of uh four kids you know just
3:49:05
drops everything and says i'm out of here
3:49:20
yeah which you know whether she wanted to go or not it still wasn't
3:49:25
a you know a good reason to leave candace there without food you know with the kids and
3:49:32
it was maybe
3:49:38
[Music] was it wick or was it food stamps
3:49:46
uh it was food stamps i believe okay that's what it was
3:49:52
so why did ally buy food if she had food stamps no at the time
3:49:58
she didn't have it me and ally had to help her to get him okay i get it
3:50:04
you know because like i said ally was working and you know as she's working you know she
3:50:11
has her own bills to pay she has her own children you know to feed and she was literally
3:50:17
taking her hard earned money to make sure summer wyatt and william have fruity
3:50:24
and we're not talking frozen pizzas we're talking for real home-cooked meals
3:50:30
you know
3:50:39
hey jose are you what is your nationality are you
3:50:45
puerto rican mexican
3:50:56
so did you make them some good puerto rican food absolutely
3:51:02
they love this employer some foreign i tried to make that i wanted to make
3:51:09
that but they didn't want to try it but i actually made them um like a bee stew which
3:51:24
oh yeah i went i was going to town for them
3:51:32
is my favorite but i can never make it like a puerto rican does yes amanda1234 exactly
3:51:39
the spring race for bristol was may 31st 2020 exactly
3:51:46
okay guys um jose thank you so much for being here
3:51:53
i i appreciate it and thank you for answering the question
3:51:58
and please uh travel safe and um i'll talk to you soon okay thank
3:52:05
you jose thank you bye jose hi jose thank you so much
3:52:18
all right guys so he is off of there
3:52:23
ow sorry justin what you said you're not doing a five
3:52:29
hour tonight we're up to four i know i don't know
3:52:36
yeah i swear did i fall off my chair now no
3:52:42
i dropped my babe oh that was good
3:52:49
what a good guy i'm sorry yeah what a good guy you're right
3:52:56
oh my gosh he had me crying you know he's uh
3:53:02
he's really been through a lot um and he's had some incredible lows in
3:53:09
life which um we all have if we're honest but
3:53:15
he's really building you know he really has built
3:53:20
himself back up and for that i am so proud of him
3:53:28
and he has incredible guilt yeah as well
3:53:33
and i get that but
3:53:41
you know it's what what you know all you can do is help with
3:53:47
what we have situated right now yep shorty from jersey another great day
3:53:54
from justin yep thank you appreciate you well we appreciate you i see you and all
3:54:00
the work you guys have put into this so yes thank you guys um
3:54:08
being up here and being able to ask questions was an honor thank you oh no problem i appreciate you guys um
3:54:15
we was going to go over the live yesterday but i'd rather have jose live than
3:54:22
exactly right mama she 13 thank you so much
3:54:29
um yeah you know i honestly thought uh
3:54:36
when i was going to hear jose that he would you know not be as articulate as
3:54:42
he is extremely
3:54:49
i figured he would be you know talking like
3:54:55
you know oh lead foot leah leela i think you need to be uh
3:55:03
yeah timed out babe nope she doesn't need to be turned out she needs to go well i mean booted but yeah i
3:55:09
it's done vintage got her thank you guys uh rumor has it come nine
3:55:14
o'clock your room is supposed to be um flooded
3:55:20
okay cool so yeah 9 55.
3:55:27
all right um well it's um
3:55:36
not him this man still here yes ma'am
3:55:43
when are you going to start doing your after parties um i have no idea
3:55:50
i'll go do an after party okay cool all right let's go
3:55:56
all right thanks justin um uh yeah warriors sisterhood
3:56:05
wrong channel justin yeah yeah warrior sisterhood yeah yeah
3:56:10
sisterhood so um yeah come join us there
3:56:16
all right i'm gonna jump off and go set up okay thanks for listening live
3:56:22
thank you guys honestly guys thank you all for your support thank you for being here for summer for
3:56:30
jose for everyone um thank you
3:56:35
you guys are literally the best
3:56:40
we will always keep it classy we will never ever
3:56:46
ever go to any
3:56:51
level at the bottom um and that's the way it will always be
3:56:57
here people can um say what they want um
3:57:04
but actions always speak louder than words
3:57:10
so thank you guys again truthfully god bless each and every one
3:57:16
of you the truth always prevails it always it is eternal
3:57:24
god only likes truthfulness
3:57:30
always remember that and if it's not from god it is not
3:57:38
good so
3:57:43
keep it there um thank you guys so much
3:57:49
appreciate you great job with the mods thank you guys for keeping it respectful
3:57:55
in chat today um there's always a couple
3:58:00
you know how it is miss fletcher i need my bed now hello thank you miss fletcher
3:58:08
um link for sisterhood hold on let me find it and i'll get it for you
3:58:17
you're with me one second
3:58:39
yes
3:58:47
where is her link
3:59:13
okay i can't find a link for her channel if one of you mods got it but here is a link to one of her videos and then you
3:59:19
can just uh she's i think she literally just maybe she or she's going live
3:59:25
in just a few minutes if she hasn't already went live um [Music] shalom kathleen
3:59:31
shalom so that's uh
3:59:38
yaya
3:59:50
you guys want to go in there we'll have an after party
3:59:57
and she is live now that is not that's a video to her channel
4:00:03
um and you can just go there from there love you moz
4:00:09
all right god bless each and every one of you guys good night
