LAB CALL IN SHOW W/ Guest host Chris McDonough-- Streamed live on May 25, 2022

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there is no investigation this boy has not released this to me don't say any

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abs and stuff but i have to put her

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[Music] on the side

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for me and my boys and my kids don't say any abs and stuff there is no investigation this boy

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[Music]

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it's hard [Music]

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i'm gonna do what i gotta do for me and my boys and my kids

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won't say any abstinence style live from the nbd production studios

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you're in the lab with your host joshua diaz what's going on everybody

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welcome to the lab i'm your host [Music]

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[Music] and i do believe there are corn dog

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emojis thanks to my esteemed partner here

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[Laughter] [Music]

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if you look down there there's just corn dog after corn dog

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that's down that's what i'm talking about now we need now we need some ketchup packets

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and mustard packets [Laughter] oh man that is too good

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that is too good how are you chris josh outstanding how about you bud i'm doing

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fine thank you so much and thanks for being here uh what a what a fun

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um thing that we we've got going on here with the collins and um they are

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fantastic um i mean i'm excited to be here thank you and and so

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uh tonight what we're gonna do is we're gonna take some phone calls now uh once again

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i will say that i have my favorite button of all time it's ready to go at any time

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uh who will be the first i doubt it'll happen

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because people that come here just love us but you know i'm ready i'm ready for it

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and um i had to thank here for some reason

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let me see you need to name your button my corndog button no no no yeah the uh the cut off yes so

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like down the range or something like that on your on the pistol range it's just like

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uh yeah like um like uh i don't know i don't know what to call it maybe i'll

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just i call it the run button no

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did you get ran off not a very good car and you know and if

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somebody's mean or you know then i'll play that song and then i'll

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mock them mercilessly no i'm just like ali says the gong button

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i thought about the gong button but i like my song [Music]

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it's like it's like you know right in my do you remember the larry david show

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the larry david show refresh my memory um i don't know i think that's just what

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it's called corn dogs [Laughter]

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no he didn't eat any corn dogs but he very well couldn't um so here's how it's gonna work we'll

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take uh obviously get through as many as we can um while somebody is talking if you call

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you'll probably just ring ring ring so if you can wait

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um and we'll try to move through you know i know people want to call and talk to the

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to the to the fluffinator by the way your hair looks spectacular you know i went in today thank you so much as you

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know we talked earlier and i said can i get the larry and they gave me the mo the mouse yeah

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it's better than the curly you know so that's right you're doing it you're doing it and you

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look fantastic and um so let's uh without further ado i guess uh

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we'll open the lines and and see uh see what's happening here let me take a

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look here and let me put the number up on the screen

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for and uh i guess we'll just wait for it to ring

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chris i mean that's yeah but you know we we had a lot uh you know karen and i were out today you know she got she got

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her stuff you know she got some nails done and she looks beautiful as ever and yeah i went out and grabbed a haircut

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while we're waiting for a phone call and you know track the news like everybody else

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craziness out there we don't need to go there tonight but uh you know the go ahead

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oh yeah i i i have really no interest in

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talking with about something that i'm not qualified at you know to talk about i know that there's

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heavy hearts out there and uh i pray for everybody that is

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affected and so it's just it's the worst you know so you're not

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going to get any um you're not going to get any advice from me it's just

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i i don't i'm not comfortable with it it's just i just it's just a tragedy and that's all i

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know and um that's all uh so

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have you figured out this closed caption i see chris has put that on my channel too and i

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i have you talked to youtube because i talked to youtube support and they said look that

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all that closed caption has to be activated from the other side either once it's either played or when

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you press you know command c or c uh because i've tried everything in my

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power and and if you know a secret i'd like to know it because i certainly want to take care of that guy and others i um

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i don't know i'll have to check and i certainly will

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um but no i don't so i will take we got our first call of

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the night though and let's go ahead and take it

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i call her you're on the air where are you calling from helene hello

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hi hey i can just barely hear you let me turn the sound up a little bit eat it

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better i'm getting old okay can you hear me any better

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i can yes i can i'm crazy how are you i'm well how are you good yes i'm good

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i'm good so i was gonna be the brave one to take this and take the bull by the horns and still

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have my first call they're both scared i think because you know

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there's something extra on there since you since you called in now they're cracking it's

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crack-a-lacking it's going is it okay yeah well i don't want it it's corn

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dogging say hi to chris he is corn dog

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it is corn dog corn dog i didn't even know was there i just put up an ear of corn and a dog i was the best i could do

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oh well what can i do for you don't live that day on uh nothing just gonna call in and say

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hello yeah and i i love this call and it's it's awesome and um we are the lab

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rap the best ever you know no western stuff everybody's nice

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and you know so you guys are great together i always love to watch y'all listen to y'all

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uh you've all met and that that's not seen a lot so uh

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i also wanted to ask chris something okay feel free where's your favorite place to uh yeah where's your favorite

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place in in the us to uh park the airstream i guess so to speak like to

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hang out in in the country you know thank you for asking that question i um

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you know there are so many beautiful places right um

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we love it um on both you know the southeast yeah down in

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[Music] you know the florida area as well as alabama down in and then

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you know the dustin area in florida yeah and then yeah and then of course

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the great smokies area yeah i'm right there

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yeah yes ma'am and they just started charging for that to go into that this year believe it or not they great

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park yeah national parks overseas actual national parks yep they're going to

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charge gatlinburg into the park really yep i had did not know that

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it's brand new brand new this year we just learned that wow yeah that's

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i mean oh i don't want to go how far back i mean for years my family you know

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camped there went there all the time you know and um so

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have you been to dog have you been to the um uh you probably have been to dollywood

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but have you been to the stampede to be a good i don't think they can call it the dixie stampede anymore did you

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like it you know i loved it were you in that were you in that show

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no no no no i've been there several times i just wondered if you hadn't been there no no

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i've written words i ain't that good there you go oh don't call me ma'am either

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[Laughter] sorry about that i apologize yes i'm on josh's show over the first

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call-in and i've already made my first mistake yeah one of many mistakes you've made on this show no problem hey thank

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you so much for calling all right you all have a great night and talk to you later

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go ahead caller you're on the air

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maybe you're not on the air we'll see oh yeah you are for sure

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[Music]

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it's we're blowing up over here chris blowing up okay keep it going buddy i'll follow

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your lead i'll follow your lead yep all right caller you're on the air go ahead

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uh hello there josh and mr chris is

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i meant to ask you the other night about a question what's been going around and

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everything since commissioner mcfluff is up there is um

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i want you you and his opinion on what kansas is saying she's got to put

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summer aside and think about her and the boys you know that kind of aggravates me

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badly yeah chris i'll let you take that um uh

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i mean you're familiar with candace saying you know that

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she's got to put her she's got to put her kids to the or she's got to put him to the side

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um yeah i i uh go ahead chris well hey man first of all thanks for

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calling in um it's great to hear you hey i'm from wherever one you're what we're on one of your buddies little hometown

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here in little cookie town yes sir

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yes sir jax is better in caller this is a second call this is awesome awesome so um

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yeah to answer your question for me when i first heard that it was obviously

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you know disturbing to hear that because like all of us we all felt like you know

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what's the next thing we can do and now all of a sudden you know

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you you're hearing you know from candice saying that she doesn't want to do

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anything else other than focus on the three boys who you know are quote

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with her i.e in terms of around so that one you know the other thought

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that i had was is she thinking or she obviously knows something more that we don't know

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uh and why would you say that about your daughter who you know just recently had a birthday and

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uh so you know how to how did it how did it bug you bud what went through your mind you know you

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know it just hit me in the wrong spot in my heart because you know if if that was my

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daughter he'll say if i was in their shoes and i know my boys have been taken away

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putting in a good place for right now i'll be focusing on my daughter everyone's missing you see what i'm

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talking about yep yep understand it yep yep josh what's up yeah you know i i

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think her these slips and these miss

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you know these missteps that she's had are all at this point in her head it's all

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subliminal i feel she she does she knows that

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uh summer isn't coming home and she has made peace with that

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in her head unfortunately which is completely wrong

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but it's always been about the boys and i've heard that from several people

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and i just don't think that she has any chance i don't have any information this is

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just my opinion but it would be foolish to give those children back to her

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um and that's the the one thing that she's holding on to that

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she can feel decent about is that she can kind of uh

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posture about getting the kids the boys back but she just knows that summer

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uh isn't coming back and so that's why i that that's just my opinion

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oh yeah but i i believe you're down way down deep inside

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um that there's more involved in it than you

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know um there's black known you know what i mean

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yeah the information that's out there definitely isn't i mean there's a entire story that

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hasn't been told yet and um the answers are out there just

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you know who knows when they're coming out and and if they do and and i believe that they will but that to me that is

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kind of how i feel about it that's what i think she means by that

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yeah all right and i'll get off here a little bit another call is coming here

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you're welcome there chris and y'all have a good night and god bless you all thanks a lot sure nice meeting you thank you

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all right all right jack a fan favorite uh

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always calling with the heat let's uh see what we got going on here

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quit buzzing like that it's gonna blow up i have a feeling that

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while he's doing that how's everybody doing tonight it's great to have you or hit that subscribe button if you're new

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to josh's channel and become a lab rat yeah give it a try

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hammer that button that thumbs up let's see here and

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i hope you guys had a great day hello caller you're on the air hello how

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are you what happened you hung up she hung up

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she was there she was there she certainly was there

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come on you got people hanging up calling left and right and hanging up

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as soon as they see me it's like click [Laughter] oh oh i thought i was talking to josh

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click click right we don't blame you folks we don't know we don't blame you

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she'd see me drive when i was born they told my mother they slapped my mother yeah well that makes sense actually it

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actually does and i could see why they would do that because i do absolutely absolutely

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[Music] so while he's looking for a microwave we'll uh

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keep things going hopefully everybody's doing well and you had a great day today uh

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linda happy birthday linda hansen great day happy birthday

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thanks mountain cab i'm answering these uh chats over here for you i appreciate it chris

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[Laughter] you're doing a good job too thank you thank you thank you

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um let's see here blank how are you from michigan jeezy

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i love shih tzu not i love that that's a great name isn't it that's a dog i love

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that absolutely love it she thinks you're hanging up on people

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over here i i think i am they're just coming in one after the other and then disconnecting

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so that's fun that's okay hey shelby

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hello caller you're on the air how are you doing i'm doing good how are you i'm doing

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fine where are you calling from i'm colin from kalamazoo michigan kalamazoo

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what can we do for you well josh i want you to know that i've been watching yourself and you have

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really really grown a lot i mean i i commend you for everything that you say and do thank you much more so than

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the other ones i appreciate it you handle yourself well and it's very respectful

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thank you i appreciate you saying that and i just want you to know that

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keep up the good work thank you very much okay you have a good night all right you

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too awesome it was very nice that was very nice that was awesome well

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deserved i second that i third it actually

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somebody says i'm talking like a mama's boy go ahead caller you're on the air

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well i thought you were on the air but i guess you're not we're getting there

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on hold someone's on hold here hello

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hello how are you pretty good how are you i'm doing fine where are you calling from

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indiana oh awesome what uh what can we do for you

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well i just wanted to say how much we love your show and you and chris both

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i think you have an echo uh i think you should i think the either your tv is on in the background

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or radio or something and this is for the next plot

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okay go ahead my question to you is if you know something about the delphi murders

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who do you contact uh indiana state police

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or the fbi call the number yes ma'am that they've made available

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indiana state police that's who i would call the state police correct

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okay because we uh a friend of mine feels that you have the wrong man there's a man that did the profile more

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than the other guy yeah and when you say i have the wrong man who who who do i have

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the the guy that they've been talking about the heavy stat man with the beard and

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brown hair oh as i said i'm not in my clothes

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yeah i don't i don't have that guy you mean the guy in the uh in the affidavit

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yeah yeah well there's another guy that fits the

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profile better than him and he has the same code uh there's a lot of stuff that he's

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hidden um and i know the people who know about it

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and i want to see yeah then no i agree with you and i i

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haven't said he's the guy yeah i didn't say he was the guy if you watch the whole show

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i said i i just covered the affidavit like everybody else somehow people have an impression that i thought

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he was the guy i'm really sorry

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i'm sorry call drop okay no worries thank you for calling

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appreciate your insight so if you have any information about any crime contact the local police with the

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department that it that it uh goes through and um

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they will happily take that see here

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there it is theresa just put it up josh the tip perfect perfect let's see here to the doom nope

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wrong one go ahead caller you're on the air

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people hang up really fast i'm kind of surprised let's see

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are you there caller yo i'm here can you hear me i can where are you calling from

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michigan how you doing today so my question is right along the lines of

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what you were just talking about so i was in hawkins county tennessee and i had a confrontation

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with a maroon toyota tacoma and i have it all on video

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and i've called tbi twice i've called sheriff lawson and i've left

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messages with detective pruitt and heard nothing and it's been about five weeks

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since it happened have you emailed have you emailed it to them

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yep you emailed it you called and you haven't received any call any any calls back no

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no then here's another piece of advice uh call tbi ask for director dave roush

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tell him you have information in the summer wells case and to have the case agent call you

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he's the director of tbi that should get everybody's attention if he doesn't respond which i know he will but if he

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doesn't respond then call your local fbi agent your local fbi office in indiana

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where you are and tell them you have information on the summer wells case

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okay a lot of people in your chat know who i am um a lot a lot of people saw it well okay so dave roush do i call the

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regular tbi number the 800 number yeah just say i'd like the director's office

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and then you're going to get the secretary and then you tell the secretary what you just told youtube

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okay and then turn the information right perfect and i sure have fun

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i believe everybody's outing you as um scotty scholes

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yeah everybody knows who i am yeah i spent a week down there and filmed it and everything else but yeah yeah so i

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saw you it was very interesting the driving and the just showing the ruleness of the area very uh

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very cool man well thank you for um doing that and thanks for calling um yeah i uh

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that i can just imagine i'm trying i'm trying to get i'm trying to get heard you know and i

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took it down like when i was live kind of when it happened and i took it down and i've been sitting on it and i've

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been trying to get it to somebody because if it's important it needs to be looked at and if it's not at

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least tell me right right kind of thing exactly yeah we agreed we agree well

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thanks a lot i uh be interested to hear if they get back to you

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all right thank you take care bye-bye and so um

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yeah once again i mean i can't imagine how backed up

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that police station in hawkins county or that sheriff's office in hawkins county is i i bet they just get hammered all

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day long and i mean i understand why i do but

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at some point it's just like can be completely overwhelming i mean it's not like they have this huge organization

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with a bunch of people fielding calls you know i mean they have

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emergencies to go out on they have cases that they're trying to solve uh it is just a very

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you know it's just it's it's hectic i know that let's go ahead and move on to the next call

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go ahead caller you're on the air

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i guess they're not on the air it's pretty interesting how fast

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people hang up

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how fast how fast they hang up yeah they just it starts like cycling and then somebody ends up hanging up and then not

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staying on the line and there's not a lot of uh

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patience i mean while you're while we're waiting for a call i mean what i think there's somebody

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go ahead go ahead no go ahead they'll wait no no no they're more important than me are you on you're on the air

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they just post the number please it's it's i've been i've posted it for a

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while it's on a banner going by

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you know i try that let's just do it this way because for some reason this seems to

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not be working but um give me one second here go ahead chris

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what were you gonna say no i mean what's happening obviously you know the the intensity of this of the

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those investigations as quickly as they come on uh and then when they start to slow down

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go ahead tell me when you're ready

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what goes on obviously for obvious reasons is uh you know they get a ton of information a

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ton of overflow is what we should call it and then you have to sift through what's

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viable and what's uh you know what's fantasy and what's hocus pocus

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hey there she is hello hello hello how are you

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hello i'm fine can you hear me i can hear you can you hear me um i can hear you just great thank you thank you for

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taking my call this is my first call ever awesome i'm a bit nervous i want to say first

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and foremost um godspeed to both you and and chris may

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god keep you and your families and protect you and and thank you for everything you do thank you thank you

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for your time okay thank you um i do have a question um it's more of an opinion question and i'd

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love to get both of your opinions what do you make of candace's absence of

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late and maybe knowing her possible whereabouts i

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did hear rumors that she was in alabama but again um don't know and i guess

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technically it's none of our business but um what what sort of sign would you take this as

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her absence um yeah i i think somebody got in her ear

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that had some common sense i guess and was saying you know you're making an uh

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a dummy out of yourself by the way that you're acting drinking and and going on saying all these that's just my opinion

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uh but i think that she heeded the warning of of somebody

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well it must take it takes a very special person it seems to if if that's true and she's um maybe making a turn

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for the better um that's great for her and and god bless the person who's doing that if

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that's true let's hope so yeah i don't know you know i always i always wish

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everybody well i just don't know i just don't know where she's at in her

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life and from the year that we've spent talking about her

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um i just i don't see i don't see any betterment coming at the

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moment right now i just think that she's tucked away with somebody that uh

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is taking care of her and i mean that's her god-given right do you think she's run away

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if that's too much too harsh of the question i understand uh chris i'll let you answer that go ahead

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good i appreciate

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you know i don't know if she's run away i know that she's running from something

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yes and and you know when we had her down at the waterhole

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that day and then the um the search and rescue showed up it kind of threw her for a curveball because i

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we literally turned the camera off and she was just crying so uncontrollably and she

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i saw the same emotion at the waterhole as i did the night she was intoxicated where she

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reached over uh you know to want to say i want to tell them what happened and she said

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that remember i don't remember that so

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you don't think that was an act for you she was performing for you with the

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crying no not not at that moment well no did i you know obviously i didn't

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you know i gave her an oscar for some of the other stuff but at the same time you know um

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when you're looking into somebody's soul at that point you know standing there at the water's edge and they're looking right back at you knowing that you you

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think you know and she she knows that you think you know and uh you know we just kind of click

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for a second and then there was this curveball of the search and rescue and she turned to me and she goes did you did you call

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them and i said no i didn't even know they were going to be here that was a true statement and it always has been in that

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moment it was like the you know the light switch came back on and she went right into

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you know the narrative so would that tell you that summer maybe

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is possibly not coming back to us then most likely i don't know i mean should i want to

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keep my i want to be hopeful as always i think personally she's

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she's the thief of my heart and as i know she is to so many

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and you know my husband and i weren't able to have children and we would have given anything to have had a little

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little angel like her um she's just she's stolen our hearts

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um and and we wouldn't know her but for the fact that this

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horrible thing happened to her and we also wouldn't know so much of what's

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going on or what had gone on in her life her short little life up to now if it had not been for people like

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you especially you chris and and to josh as well so from the bottom of my heart i

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thank you thank you and i pray for all of you for your safety and

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and for summers as well i still do have a threat of hope that she will she will be you know found safely somewhere

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well what a lovely caller thank you so much thank you very much thank you thank you so much thank you for taking my call

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and have a good evening and have a good evening and chat everyone and mods thank you so much thanks and i'm

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calling from washington state washington state love washington right tri-cities washington although we're not native

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here we're from the south but we've lived in washington state well you could have fooled me

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[Laughter] we sort of lived all over though you know we're originally from

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sort of that area my my husband um was from the knoxville area and i lived

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in memphis tennessee so that's where we're from that we're in the great state of washington

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thank you so much for calling thank you thank you gentlemen and god bless take care thank you so much

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so we'll roll right in uh here to the next call caller go ahead you're on the air

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josh thank you for taking my call i'm from st paul minnesota hey how are you

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i'm good thank you you're welcome christian and josh

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i have a question i don't know if i can answer it uh

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or ask it but actually i have two questions um

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i would like to know why a certain woman

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um a creator um i'll just say

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voices on the wall told

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don w never tell anyone

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what summer had on the last time you saw her

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and the second question i have is jodie sue

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standing in the pond

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with her feet to eliminate

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any evidence so to speak i don't know if that was the reason she did it but

37:32

and the dogs could summer have trailed over there and got

37:39

gotten taken by a dog those are my three comments

37:45

so the the the answer to your first question is i

37:50

don't know what that what was said between um

37:56

that certain creator and dw i know after a year of this stuff it's just

38:04

it's really hard to know i mean when you say chris like i mean so much has been said

38:10

um and uh so i you know for me to speculate

38:15

i don't know why anybody would say that i mean there were people at the beginning

38:20

that absolutely thought that dawn um was a saint

38:27

and that he was trying his best i don't think that was

38:32

ever the the case um but uh so there were people on his side

38:38

very early on in the case if you've noticed now almost everybody

38:43

has turned on on dawn um

38:49

in in in one way shape or another from his actions now um

38:56

and to be honest with you i also don't know uh about the jodie sue standing in the water i really

39:03

don't i mean i've heard rumblings of it but none of that stuff to me

39:08

is um factual that i know of you know i mean it's just a lot of it is hearsay a lot

39:16

of it is conjecture and a lot of it i i would feel stupid speculating on i'm

39:22

sure chris would probably feel uh the same way she said it herself

39:30

yeah well that's the thing i i haven't heard it uh and so i would have to i'd

39:35

have to hear it in context and then um

39:41

and then i could give you a better uh and i will i'll take a look at i just i just haven't heard it i

39:48

thank you i find that i find that odd um but what isn't odd in this case

39:54

unfortunately so um

40:00

anything you want to add there chris no i think you answered it uh

40:05

appropriately why don't you say hi to chris since you're on the line here hi hello chris

40:11

how are you yeah to hear your voice it's great to hear yours and thank you

40:17

so much for that for those comments and that question i um i think josh answered it

40:23

ex expertly yeah yeah and thank you for um

40:29

all your work and then i wanted to add something about

40:35

um don w thing i'll see her in the resurrection well there's something we

40:41

can speak about it that he has to get there too to see her

40:46

yeah amen to that right good good that's a good a good start exactly i don't i don't want to accuse

40:53

anybody this is um you know but what about what but it's a comment

41:00

but what an odd thing to say [Music] that's an absolutely odd thing for any

41:06

parent to say though wouldn't you agree well in his um

41:13

in his mind he might have thought if she's taken

41:20

by someone and raised under on you know

41:25

an unhealthy atmosphere he was hoping that she she would go

41:33

more or less of a holier way and he was hoping he would

41:38

see her in the resurrection but the way he said it i

41:44

i translated in my mind well donald

41:50

you have to make it to the resurrection in order to see her right

41:55

and i know from his he does have some bible knowledge

42:02

that is a fact but um

42:07

well i i just know that he does have some knowledge

42:12

and he's learned it through the years through the mormons and the

42:18

other church i forget what what what the name of it is but seven

42:23

thousand minutes yeah they have a pamphlet about missing children in a game they play

42:31

hide-and-go-seek that's a fact

42:36

you can call them and ask them for the pamphlet that it's an exercise they do

42:42

for missing children i found that kind of strange also

42:47

so yeah yeah i understand that well well thank you for calling

42:52

well thank you and um i'm sorry to hear about jose if he has

42:58

passed away my condolences to to a loss so yeah yeah absolutely and

43:06

uh yes yes absolutely 100 right thank you so much for calling thank you very much

43:13

bye for now bye-bye thank you so much

43:18

and let's see here you know that was a really interesting

43:24

comment she just made yeah hide and seek

43:30

it's interesting because the boys told somebody that i know first

43:35

hand remember that one of the boys said we were

43:40

playing hide and seek yep and i related that to

43:46

outside a game outside but i wonder if it's correlated to what she just said this that caller may have just given us

43:52

another clue you know i and i had heard that that was something i've heard that as well and but i mean

44:00

she's right it is an absolute real thing that for some reason

44:06

um but yeah i mean the hide and go seek theory

44:12

it might run a little deeper than we know caller you're on the air where are you calling from

44:17

hey guys i'm calling from i'm getting an echo

44:23

can you can you hear me i can now yeah where are you from pittsburgh pittsburgh go steelers

44:30

that's right hi chris hi josh hi how are you penguins

44:36

yeah they did pretty good they're all right okay i enjoy your camping stories i'm a

44:42

camper too um to go in there memorial day weekend but um something last week i've been

44:48

following you with the whole summer wells case i wasn't like a big youtube watcher but of course my kids are and

44:54

now i'm hooked especially on you guys i was watching last week though do you

44:59

guys remember the movie gone baby gone uh yeah i do

45:05

it was the mom was a wreck and then the little girl was stolen yeah that was

45:11

and then she comes back at the end i was just watching that the other day and it was it was one of those heartstrings where i hope she ends up in the end okay

45:17

but the end of gone baby gone they gave her back to her mother and that was a waste but um i just wanted to call in and say

45:24

you know i really enjoy you guys and you're always clean my daughters can listen in when i'm listening so i really

45:29

appreciate that yeah thank you for saying that it's um

45:34

something that uh i've worked on personally and it um

45:40

it seems to that the people do appreciate it and uh you know i had never really

45:46

thought about if there were kids in the room listening and

45:53

until you know later on when i started to kind of understand the demographic who's listening a lot of

46:01

people are watching their grandkids and their kids while they're you know at home uh taking care of those kids so

46:09

obviously um it it is helpful if if you can

46:14

walk away and not have to worry about somebody you know screaming and cussing and so i um

46:20

i felt that that was a really good uh a move and and uh

46:25

chris i i you know he's an angel so you know he's he's never i wish

46:31

nice try right that was a hip check

46:37

have her swear words i can't say that but i mean just how the lightness of

46:43

the seriousness that we're talking about is also appreciated totally okay 100 things happen

46:50

you know not sheltering my kids but again it's not there's no

46:56

in-depth everything everything's kind of high level you know i used to have um i had a philosophy when i would put a

47:03

new rookie in the car with me or something when i was you know

47:08

on the street and i would tell them if you can't control your tongue

47:13

how are you going to control your finger when the time is right

47:18

right and you know i i've always tried to live by that philosophy that you know if you

47:24

can't control what comes out of your mouth and it just drives me crazy to no end to see some of these

47:31

you know folks on the street just cussing at the citizenry you know at the citizens it's like you

47:36

know why are you doing that it it lowers our profession and you know the professional standards

47:43

that we should be you know officers should you know they should display that into the public

47:50

because d you know the public deserves it and if you can't control that up here you know

47:55

this as they say this the the tongue is as sharp as a two-edged sword and that's a true statement

48:02

and you know you you just wonder then when you pull your gun

48:07

if you can't uh you know what's the urge into into that so that's just my

48:13

philosophy it's my own opinion um you know some people call me a prima

48:18

donna or you know the other things whatever i could care less because i try to hold myself to a higher

48:24

standard because you you know i think people deserve it uh you right and i'm a separation

48:32

civil civil service we have firefighters in my family and you know policemen are role models

48:37

you know so i mean it it's amazing when little kids come up to you back in the day

48:44

anyway and they wanted to emulate the career i don't know if that i don't know if

48:50

that's happening anymore other than firefighters though but you know why god made cops right

48:59

so firefighters have somebody to look up to i can't believe you gave me that much room

49:07

yeah my uh yeah well you know we know a couple officers but yeah no my grandpa dad brother all

49:14

firemen incoming dad joke three two one here

49:19

well civil services uh is it's necessary and we saw that

49:25

you know we saw that with that border patrol agent and how he threw his life on the line

49:30

and you know the horrific events there or so and you know that's another show but um

49:36

you know those are the kind of things where you say okay now now's the time to step up

49:41

and those those are the folks that i'm so grateful are still in the profession and in the career and we got a lot of a

49:48

lot of great great law enforcement folks uh firefighters nurses doctors

49:54

you know lawyers believe it or not you know i mean you know the civil servants they don't

49:59

get enough they don't get enough of hey thank you uh in today's world today so

50:05

but we saw it in action and uh thank you so much for your kindness and your your thoughts on that as well no thanks bye

50:12

see you and we're just going to have one little hello from the daughter say hi hi hi how are you who's this

50:20

good nice to meet you

50:26

the world needs firefighters thanks for getting your yeah become a fire you can do you know as the mind of man conceives

50:32

and believes the mind of man achieves or the mind of woman you girls are smarter than us guys that's for sure

50:38

you go for spanish chris yeah i know enough spanish to get me in trouble bilingual i'm very young

50:45

lavish manos thank you for calling i appreciate it

50:51

thank you guys thanks have a good one thank you adios

50:57

quick one there love that adios let's see here we'll

51:03

take let's take another call here speaker

51:09

[Music] caller you're on the air where are you calling from

51:14

charleston south carolina well now are you a darius ruckers fan

51:22

i've seen darius when he was with the blowfish yeah yeah man and my daughter

51:27

played his daughter in volleyball so yeah so kind of a fan here see i i you

51:32

know how you doing tonight what what uh what's on your mind

51:38

i'm good so um i actually had found and

51:44

i've asked a couple of creators no one really knows and i know chris might have

51:50

an idea about this um after the 911 the central intelligence

51:56

dci had the capability if law enforcement

52:02

requested the satellite imaging of a territory

52:09

they could provide it during a certain time frame and i just wondered if

52:15

this was something i know with the terrain and whatnot but the roads would be easily viewed

52:22

um with satellite if this was something that was requested for that time frame

52:27

days leading up to and after to see who may have gone in and out

52:33

of um ben hill road so josh you want me to take this yes please

52:40

i don't know anything about um satellite imaging okay no problem so the

52:47

there is an office uh in the federal government and it's the

52:52

uh the na the national counterterrorism center and uh it's called nctc

52:59

they run under the patriot act

53:06

for various situations that you're talking about for counterintelligence satellites that kind

53:13

of stuff and there's also another offshoot where

53:19

satellites can be utilized the the challenge that local law

53:24

enforcement has the access to that data in relationship

53:31

to local crimes um typically it has to be a federal

53:38

situation like on a federal installation like a military base

53:43

anything connected to the federal government so you because you have to go to a federal

53:50

judge and get a warrant i.e a fisa warrant for an example

53:57

and then in that warrant you can request you know cell phone data you know any type

54:04

of forensics data and including satellite data okay now there are others

54:10

you know companies out there that brokerage this stuff

54:15

uh and they sell it to private firms uh so

54:20

the to answer your question to try to get hold of so sell you know satellite data

54:27

uh it would be faster quite frankly to go to google earth and and cross your fingers that

54:35

you know when the car was going down the road with the cameras going it caught something

54:40

because you know it would really be very very hard

54:45

to get that data but so that's why they rely primarily on

54:50

you know cell phones and that kind of stuff and there are some great companies out there that that can

54:56

provide that under the uh guise of a search warrant

55:02

now are you talking about i kind of wonder are you talking about imaging like imaging from that day specifically

55:08

is that what you mean yes i know when i look when i found this and i went to one

55:16

of those sites chris was just speaking of you literally can put in the area

55:22

and the time frame that you want now whether it's really going to be june 15th 3 o'clock

55:28

you know 110 ben hill road i don't know um the imaging is grainy you can't see much

55:36

on my laptop you know so but i in reading the deposition that was given

55:43

in 96 it was saying that this would be something that would be put out there for

55:48

local law enforcement to utilize if they needed it for anything they just needed

55:53

to give permission and request the images that were taken because apparently the satellites go around and

55:59

snap you know constantly but again like chris said it would have to be right at that time you know but you

56:08

know at this point you know i it's just so sad i have i do have to say that the first thing i ever

56:14

saw was in the end of june 1st july i saw the

56:20

thumbnail of summer's face and it was on chris's channel and

56:25

i watched it and i've been watching ever since and lab you came into the picture and

56:32

the two of you i i appreciate everything you do simplify and oh thank you take

56:38

care of yourselves thank you for your service were you a hollywood marine or your family or where were you my father was

56:46

paris island um 21 years i was born november 10th so you think he would have loved me best

56:52

but i was more like him so no that didn't happen i'm a nurse and uh my

56:58

father's past but my father was in 21 years so bless you

57:04

well thank you and again you all take care and everybody listen and chat take care love your kids

57:10

you know yes crazy stuff in this world i swear absolutely yeah thank you so much for

57:16

calling uh we take care okay thank you bye-bye bye

57:23

another great caller i mean why not why we're on a roll why not rattle off another one let's do it

57:31

excellent callers uh go ahead caller you're on the air hi josh thank you for taking my call hi

57:37

how are you good how are you i'm doing fine where you calling from

57:43

boston math all right and so hi chris hi how are you this is actually a

57:48

procedural question for you okay help me um hi to you

57:54

um on sunday you did a really nice job on the affidavit when you went through

57:59

all the pages that had come out on the delphi case or at least on that rl

58:06

the logan me and there was a lot of information like

58:11

on that affidavit or a search warrant and i did have i wanted to pick your brain a little bit

58:18

it might be kind of self-explanatory but why would

58:23

um with all the things they were looking at and so many i guess coincidences maybe not coincidences why

58:31

um that logan guy wouldn't have been arrested within the last four years that that search warrant was four years ago

58:37

is there a reason that they could have enough evidence but not enough evidence or was he cleared

58:45

well that's a great question and there's a high probability

58:50

that they moved they moved past him okay that's what i was wondering because

58:57

it sounded when you went through everything but then i found out it was a little or no older document is that correct i

59:04

believe yeah it was it was right out like a month after the murders

59:10

exactly and there was so many strange coincidences and you say there are none

59:15

a lot of times and also even the first 15 tips you said i believe like

59:22

uh you know within the first 15 tips is usually can be a suspect or a person of interest

59:29

right right what do you think about the father-son the with the um child

59:36

p that that and the house but yet they have not released anything not do we know if

59:42

there's any connection whatsoever um it was a father and son the son's

59:47

already in jail for possessing child um i don't want to say the word on youtube

59:54

yep no i get it i get it um the i i think you know they're they're still

1:00:00

in play right i think you know right now there's a whole bunch of folks that they're looking at pretty

1:00:06

you know pretty significantly and uh the good news is it sounds like the investigation's still

1:00:12

moving still moving so all right well what part of beantown are you in

1:00:18

um you admitted your family is from south boston originally yeah my grandmother lived here

1:00:32

okay i know where you're at one of my closest friends is uh the number two of boston pd

1:00:38

superintendent gerard bailey rardy giving you a shout out tonight yeah at

1:00:46

night he runs the city i think one of the best police

1:00:51

departments in the country to be honest yeah no he's uh he's the number two

1:00:56

don't do a lot of the stuff they don't make a lot of mistakes now there's a lot of cleanup and a lot of

1:01:02

training i think that was done are you talking are you talking about the whitey bulger era

1:01:11

we're going to leave that one alone one of my favorites

1:01:18

i think a lot of cleanup was done absolutely there you go yeah my grandmother lived on

1:01:25

on cart across from carson beach in the high rise so right up from castle island can't

1:01:32

afford to live in south boston anymore no all my cousins are back there so

1:01:39

there you go they're holding on to some serious property

1:01:47

we've been to the millions now imagine no it's crazy people couldn't wait to leave and now there's people waiting to

1:01:54

pay millions of dollars for those three deckers so it's quite the um but this isn't a call

1:02:00

and show about real estate so but um thank you for telling me about um what your thoughts

1:02:06

were on that case because that kind of got to me the other night he sounded like such an almost too

1:02:12

perfect suspect yeah yeah it was it was a fantastic show

1:02:19

chris uh it really was the way that you covered it but it's just such an odd thing to

1:02:24

leak um especially you know i don't know it's

1:02:32

terrific more coming i've got coop i've got greg cooper coming on

1:02:37

uh in a couple of weeks and we're gonna he just finished adding a couple more chapters to his

1:02:44

book predators and he's gonna weigh in i i called i talked to him today and he's going to

1:02:50

come on the show and for those of you that don't know greg he ran the behavior science unit after

1:02:56

john douglas so greg is he's the man and he he's the

1:03:02

executive director of the cold case foundation anyway he wants to weigh in on that affidavit in his opinion so

1:03:09

well that's going to be an interesting show coming up pretty soon all right

1:03:14

thank you so much it's really nice talking to you and making a connection to beantown

1:03:20

yep go red sox go bruins aren't they in last place

1:03:26

i don't know i just know you like baseball so i said let's go red sox oh they are

1:03:34

baseball right now and fenway is a landmark so

1:03:40

people out here christmas i miss carl

1:03:53

[Laughter] thank you so much for calling

1:03:59

all right take care thank you for taking my call you're welcome bye-bye

1:04:06

boston shout out from boston go ahead caller you're on the air

1:04:15

did i make it yeah you made it in a big way

1:04:24

how are you guys doing you're doing well how are you doing good thank you

1:04:31

to ask um chris if he has any updates on the rose bly case

1:04:38

yes i talked to the detective who's working the case

1:04:44

um he's frustrated that youtube has been throwing false information out there

1:04:51

and he they are focusing on somebody

1:04:56

they're not gonna reveal who it is uh but i'm hoping i can get the sheriff to come on

1:05:03

uh we have a call into his office again today

1:05:08

but i spoke to the lead investigator about four or five days ago and he gave me permission to say what i just

1:05:14

said so awesome i mean that's great news that it's moving forward

1:05:20

exactly yes that's all i had uh thank you guys well that's it what's your favorite baseball

1:05:27

team are they in last place too yeah what

1:05:35

that's baseball that's true good good go cowboy even worse

1:05:42

which what team i missed cowboys oh oh yeah dallas there you go

1:05:49

well we had our moment how about the rough riders they're just outside you

1:05:56

in frisco who who is that that's the minor league team

1:06:03

it's the minority team and it's it's a it's a good show to watch there you go i know the river cats

1:06:10

that's all i know yeah is that our tennis team yeah they yeah they uh they play tennis

1:06:17

on the weekends uh a matter of fact they play tennis with the opposite hand so it's more competitive so if you're left-handed you

1:06:24

have to play right hand if you're right-handed you have to play left-handed you know it's just the whole thing um

1:06:29

so go tennis go hockey you've referenced hockey twice already on this show and i

1:06:39

well as long as you apologize thank you so much for calling caller

1:06:44

avalanche three no that's a lisa she put that on there

1:06:51

hey how's it going good how are you colin where you calling from southeast kentucky oh okay

1:06:59

the home of kentucky fried chicken oh yeah it is corbin

1:07:04

very good all right what can i do for you guys i got a couple of questions

1:07:11

was it like if summer was seen on the walgreens video

1:07:18

surveillance and has had what do you think of this about

1:07:24

jose supposedly you know being found dead well

1:07:29

so i chris i'll first of all the the the

1:07:37

summer being seen on camera i don't know

1:07:42

and chris maybe chris can attest to it but i don't know if she was i know that the

1:07:49

car was i know that candice was i don't know if they could see who was

1:07:54

all in the car or not um that's just something that they're not saying uh they're not gonna they're not

1:08:01

confirming now it's believed that she was if if the accounts of the day

1:08:08

up until that point are correct before i personally before the lying

1:08:13

or the deception starts um yeah and so i mean hunter puts her in

1:08:20

the car uh you have you have grandis puts her in the car

1:08:25

and you ha ally um you know so the thought is yeah that she was in

1:08:31

there but there's nothing there's no actual video confirmation that the public has seen that

1:08:38

puts her uh in that car if if that answers your question yeah that does okay and chris i think

1:08:46

that i mean you and i have had that conversation and that's on target that was pretty much the the gist of it and

1:08:53

um the second part you know

1:08:59

i believe that you know i don't want to step out too far out of my lane or anything like that

1:09:06

but i do believe that i have received confirmation um

1:09:11

and you know nothing's ever 100 but you know it sounds like it sounds like

1:09:17

yeah and it sounds like that it you know unless that a jose

1:09:22

roman has passed um and so

1:09:29

you know i i feel sorry

1:09:34

for anybody that gets thrown into the youtube arena uh not knowing exactly what

1:09:42

can take place here there's a lot of people that

1:09:48

are harsh they're they're mean

1:09:54

vindictive vindictive judgmental all kinds of stuff and

1:10:00

you know the reason and chris you know i'll i'll speak i'll speak for both of us here is that

1:10:08

the reason when chris and i spoke to jose it was because he was being

1:10:14

relentlessly attacked constantly yeah and he wanted

1:10:20

to clear his name of the things that people were accusing him of being he was

1:10:27

desperate he was upset um and we vetted him

1:10:33

and we ran checks on him to the best of our ability

1:10:38

um and what he was saying seemed to you know at least where you

1:10:44

know people were accusing him of being an rso and things like that we never found anything to suggest that

1:10:51

he was he was very honest about his criminal history um and

1:10:57

he was very honest about the fact that uh you know he wasn't a perfect person and that he was

1:11:03

he was trying to get better and so if the reports are correct and i

1:11:10

believe they are but like i said um i'll you know i'll have one foot in the

1:11:16

door one foot out but i do believe the information is true personally

1:11:22

uh it is a it is a tragic tragic ending to

1:11:27

an already sad at times a very sad existence i mean

1:11:32

it's some people just have it so rough whether it comes on comes from them

1:11:38

or whether life has dealt you blows it happens both ways

1:11:43

you know i um i i enjoyed speaking with him the couple times that

1:11:50

i did i thought that he was just i thought he was trying but

1:11:55

i you know i didn't know him uh personally at all so it is kind of hard

1:12:02

for me to to say and and speculate i don't know

1:12:08

if he has passed howe or anything like that and that that will be interesting to to find out

1:12:15

but it's just you know life is life it's it's tough man um what do you what

1:12:21

do you got to say chris well you know let's wait to see what the

1:12:27

official officials say i mean i talked to him a while ago

1:12:33

got him you know focused on getting into father joe's it's a homeless shelter down in san

1:12:40

diego that's where he was and you know when he called

1:12:46

like josh just said you know he wanted to please you know

1:12:52

have us validate that he wasn't the guy that was being you know was being floated around

1:12:58

and uh you know we we tried i mean i i talked to him at length for hours i

1:13:04

know other creators had it as well and helped him and uh you know they're

1:13:10

he i think he's a reflection of a person who wanted to do right and do good

1:13:17

and when we find out what the officials say in relationship to his passing if that's

1:13:24

accurate which it sounds like it is but we won't know that for sure until

1:13:31

the family comes out and says yes jose is now no longer with us um

1:13:37

yeah but if um you know that's the case we have to just deal with it that way

1:13:43

and you know rest you know may rest in peace and

1:13:49

and uh he was trying to get his life back in in order and move forward and and he's the only one that gave us a

1:13:55

true color and and i love that true colors yes i uh when the universe is on schedule when i

1:14:02

said that it said you know you pump that up and i didn't i saw that in the chat and then you

1:14:07

popped it up um pretty amazing you know that you know that he's

1:14:13

in a you know at peace at peace within his heart and uh within

1:14:18

this world that you know god knows there's enough yeah this is why i always preach on my channel and and that's why

1:14:24

i love josh's channel and josh as a as a person this we have enough pain and

1:14:29

suffering in this world and you know the the events of this week and

1:14:34

now him you know we we can do better by getting along with each other you know throw the other

1:14:41

stuff out the window and let's just become you know good people to each other

1:14:46

it doesn't matter who we are what we are it it matters

1:14:51

what we can do for the for the person next to us and vice versa i mean we all have these gethsemanes in our lives

1:14:58

i know i certainly do i mean i you know with this with this shooting i i immediately reflect it back on my own

1:15:04

life and and other things so we've all been there and you know

1:15:09

let's pray that his family's at peace tonight as well and and keep them in our in our hearts

1:15:16

and you know beautifully said chris also i do want to say that

1:15:21

um jose painted an uh a picture of what life was like it it seemed to

1:15:29

match up exactly the way that um

1:15:35

had been reported on by many other people and he really humanized the children

1:15:43

summer uh the way that he talked about him the way that he knew

1:15:49

their names where each one of them stayed in the house uh talking about you

1:15:54

know he just right or wrong good or bad

1:15:59

he sho he gave us a peek inside of that house and what it was like to

1:16:05

live with those children more than the parents ever have or ever

1:16:11

probably will and yeah forever i will be grateful for

1:16:16

him for doing that for us and you know people can have their own opinion if

1:16:22

they've whatever they feel in my heart i felt that he was being

1:16:28

um that he would he actually cared about the kids and and things like that what a tragic story

1:16:35

to even have to be a part of um yeah you know even just from the like he wasn't there

1:16:42

when summer went missing yet people were still calling him a suspect and uh this and that and i

1:16:49

remember i and i even had the clip when the three days after he did that interview his very first interview and

1:16:57

the internet went crazy i remember saying he has no idea what he has done

1:17:05

because the internet is ruthless

1:17:10

and him and i had that conversation after the fact uh that you mean it's just

1:17:17

stuff you don't expect to happen happens and

1:17:23

it took a it took a lot out of them i mean he was he desperately wanted to get in touch with uh with chris and and to

1:17:32

try to vindicate him yeah yeah and it was it

1:17:38

was it was tragic um i felt i felt awful for the guy and so um you know people can have their

1:17:45

own opinions about him i have my own opinion about him and and and that's

1:17:51

you know if he indeed is passing i believe that he is um you know me

1:17:57

may he finally be at peace wherever um and whenever you know he he just when

1:18:04

they lay him down i i'm i was very sad to hear he seemed like a

1:18:10

a nice enough guy you know and there will be people that just sit back and go

1:18:15

you know what uh he was a he he didn't do enough he didn't do this he didn't do that

1:18:22

well you know we we've all we have all been in situations where we

1:18:28

should have done more and we didn't for whatever reason that was

1:18:33

and it's just it's tragic but i i do appreciate um

1:18:39

your call and um thank you so much for the great questions

1:18:46

yeah thanks all right thanks for the great answers all right you have a nice night thanks bud

1:18:52

yeah all right let's see what we got here [Music] take a few more of these

1:19:01

go ahead caller you're on the air hi

1:19:07

hey what can i do for you i'm from i'm from panama city beach florida only

1:19:13

about 20 minutes away from destin um and i heard christmas and they love

1:19:19

destiny so i just want to

1:19:24

thank you for the way you have handled these cases you know this boat

1:19:29

um and that you're not accusatory because it's pretty detrimental

1:19:35

my sister-in-law was murdered by artists too and kennedy lucas

1:19:42

i'm not sure if y'all know who that is who was the name i'm sorry you i didn't

1:19:50

i didn't quite question oh henry lucas who was just

1:19:56

right which is the same person that murdered adam walsh yeah

1:20:02

oh

1:20:11

lucas confessed to hundreds of murders right but they weren't necessarily all confirmed out of

1:20:18

texas yes he did and i actually went to trial in mariana florida

1:20:25

when he entered his plea um for the murder of my sister-in-law

1:20:30

and uh the sheriff in jackson county mcdaniel so anyway long story short we

1:20:37

have experienced true tragedy in our family i'm so sorry my problem three and

1:20:42

a half years was interrogated weekly

1:20:48

volunteered that's why i don't understand this well case it don't matter where he was he

1:20:54

lost his home he lost his job he lost everything he had because there were no suspects

1:21:02

that he cooperated you mean don um

1:21:08

no i'm talking about my brother yes ma'am okay i'm talking about the uh henry lulu

1:21:14

sonata's tool trial my sister-in-law was murdered by them yes yes i got that um

1:21:21

and so they yeah and i am talking about the son of will's case too because they interrogated him but he worked offshore

1:21:27

they would say we need to talk to you tomorrow they were flying in on the helicopter um you know he lost his home and he lost

1:21:35

his job but he wouldn't stop he wanted to find

1:21:41

her killer and i don't understand the whales this is their child

1:21:46

this was only his wife right well and so

1:21:52

that's a conversation that we you know we've had and and unfortunately every department well i

1:22:00

don't say unfortunately it's just how it works every department has their own way that they they go about it right or wrong

1:22:07

um i i personally am very surprised

1:22:13

that they weren't yanked in a lot more than they were

1:22:18

um but you know the the detectives say that they were in constant communication um

1:22:25

at the very beginning and obviously that communication has now gone away yeah and

1:22:33

uh it's not uncommon for people to want to cooperate at first until things don't really start

1:22:40

panning out for them and i don't think that um it's by accident that they've just

1:22:47

completely stopped talking to uh folks oh i don't either

1:22:52

and you know in relationship to their case our case in this little town called wanna say florida

1:22:59

was just like this they an investigator wasn't even heard of they had deputies you know and and

1:23:06

they worked day and night uh but fdle was brought in and once fdle

1:23:14

was brought in they questioned everybody they did it weekly they did it every two

1:23:19

weeks at any point in time he could have just said enough that's what normal people

1:23:25

cooperate you have nothing to hide and cooperate he wanted her murderer found

1:23:33

and it was seven years and for seven years he was tormented but it was worth it and they

1:23:40

they solved the case yes they did yeah we'll see and that is fantastic that it went that

1:23:47

way but let me tell you the difference here is they don't want to find out who's

1:23:53

involved because it probably points right back to them at

1:23:58

every step and turn so obviously we can sit back and go well

1:24:03

why aren't they why aren't they cooperating anymore well probably fear of implication why do you

1:24:09

think that candace hasn't turned on dawn if she could have she very well would

1:24:15

have okay but any implication that that

1:24:21

has to do with dawn is also going to implicate

1:24:27

candace i think we have a better chance the other way i think that there yeah

1:24:34

there could be leverage maybe waiting to be put on

1:24:40

from the other side but you're it's not going to come from candace i just it's just

1:24:45

not and chris has said this before that she is a master manipulator she is

1:24:51

she is she knows how to turn it on my brother was the num uh my brother was the number one suspect he's the one the

1:24:58

founder he's the one that took her to the hospital she was shot in the floor in the house

1:25:04

uh they lived ruling uh there was nothing to

1:25:10

indicate anybody else and his life was for seven years was literal hell that he

1:25:16

never could cooperate right well and that's the difference and that's what a normal human who

1:25:24

even that love somebody would want to happen i mean if if don and candace truly

1:25:30

thought that summer was abducted if they've sure gone about it a funny way

1:25:37

i'll tell you that right now um because that would implicate that

1:25:43

or that would indicate that you know she was alive and taken well

1:25:49

if i if i thought that my child was out there and not just me i think this is the human race like 99 of us

1:25:56

if i thought that my child was out there alive and missing

1:26:01

even not alive it wouldn't matter you're out there you're pounding pavement you're banging on doors you're

1:26:07

doing whatever you can uh we've seen none of that what say you chris

1:26:13

i i want i agree with 100 of everything you've said of everything the caller said

1:26:19

uh i'm sorry that your family went through all of that but i'm really

1:26:24

uh happy that your brother had the the wherewithal to stay the course

1:26:30

and you know yeah both otis and lucas you know there

1:26:36

were some bad characters and you know they became friends like you said you know and otis was responsible

1:26:42

for adam walsh you know killing him and yeah so i'm uh to see the actions of

1:26:49

these parents like you're talking about in my opinion it's inexcusable it's not

1:26:54

understandable like it says uh it was just as people would say my brother's wife it wasn't his child you

1:27:01

don't need to say just when you love somebody you're going to lay down what you're

1:27:06

doing if somebody has murdered a family member at all costs i mean you just do

1:27:13

yeah there you go they're they're not normal people they're just not even her

1:27:19

mother and daddy thought that my brother killed her and that was

1:27:24

hard for him that was hard but in the end you know they were wrong

1:27:30

and but he forgave him that was their daughter they wanted justice it didn't

1:27:35

matter if he was taken down so you know this is just not normal what they're doing it doesn't yeah i know

1:27:42

it's a small sheriff's department we had one too you have to look it up on the map and see where boniface brought it

1:27:48

and they just had didn't even know what an investigator was you know but fd at

1:27:53

least stepped in and they did a good job and it did take years

1:27:59

to resolve it and which ruined a lot of people ruined a lot of family members and ruined a lot

1:28:05

of reputation but everybody was willing to put their reputation at stake it didn't matter

1:28:12

yeah that's i mean everything that you said there is shows compassion and love and being a

1:28:18

normal human even though you're accused of something so heinous

1:28:23

the the first is to find out who did it and then

1:28:29

obviously once you do that he knows that he didn't do it it clears his name and

1:28:34

yeah that even though that took a chunk of his life and and i'm sure it was humiliating and infuriating

1:28:42

and everything uh justice was served and sometimes there is

1:28:48

collateral damage along the way it's it's a terrible thing that he had to go through but

1:28:54

whenever somebody even in even in summer's case even uh

1:28:59

in everybody's case when you go when somebody goes missing or somebody is hurt they look inside the inside circle

1:29:08

first and then move out that's just how it is uh they all you chris would you would

1:29:15

you interview the family first yeah i mean you you

1:29:21

that's homicide 101 101 first day stuff okay

1:29:26

control the scene completely um go ahead it's so amazing the difference of what

1:29:33

they've done there and the way and the evening this happened after he got her to the hospital and then the

1:29:39

sheriff's department got out there he was not even allowed back in his home for two weeks not even to get a change

1:29:46

of clothes right so i think some things with this and

1:29:53

hawkins county probably hasn't been handled exactly right but i understand

1:29:59

the rural atmosphere because it was kind of in the reverse for us you know it was

1:30:04

like almost too serious you know uh we know he did it and you know he

1:30:09

can't even come in this house and get close and uh it was difficult even though everybody was cooperating so for

1:30:16

candice and gone to do the way they have gone they have some form of gift

1:30:23

yeah and and you know actual court and the court of public opinion are two different things

1:30:30

and either both of them can ruin your life um

1:30:35

absolutely it is my brother yeah and sometimes both you know together they can do that and and uh it

1:30:41

is a that's a terrible thing because you know

1:30:47

i i don't know the evidence in the case you know that that you're talking about but i do know what evidence is out there in in this

1:30:54

case and the way that people act and none of it none of that adds up you know what

1:31:00

there's what they say what they do how they go about stuff um but yeah i mean well

1:31:05

the evidence yeah the evidence in our case is there was not it was not he drove up he opened the

1:31:12

door she was laying on the floor he takes her to the hospital she dead on arrival and

1:31:18

from there it was no breaking and entering no nothing she went into the house and they

1:31:26

followed her in the house they were there in the yard so it was nothing

1:31:31

wow well of course they were looking at him you know that yeah

1:31:37

that's scary no wait i'm sorry guys oh i was just gonna

1:31:42

say that i mean unfortunately it's standard you know in every every every way shape and form you know you

1:31:48

you secure the house you secure the scene and you and you yeah and you say hey we need to we need to go talk you

1:31:55

know and obviously uh that's just that's how those

1:32:00

investigations start and sometimes you know i remember the scott peterson

1:32:06

you know yeah everybody was kind of with him until

1:32:13

um until he refused to take a lie detector

1:32:19

and then people were like well that's not cool he should probably be taking a lie detector

1:32:25

test if his wife was missing and he had nothing to do with it well now you have the court of public opinion on you

1:32:32

and the police are going why won't he take why won't he take this polygraph uh

1:32:37

it's not so you know and then it just turned into an avalanche i mean scott peterson

1:32:43

did not cooperate um and then they found out obviously that he had a

1:32:50

a mistress that he was you know and the story goes on and on and on but yeah that's how those things

1:32:55

happen scott was obviously on their radar right away but like well

1:33:01

why don't you take a polygraph yeah i'm not going to do that why not scott don't you want to clear

1:33:07

yourself well you know so well i guess my point in case was

1:33:14

the the collateral damage is the same whether you cooperate or you don't cooperate until

1:33:21

someone is found but public opinion changes

1:33:26

if you cooperate i agree and really for law enforcement it does too

1:33:33

absolutely i mean chris you know more about that than anybody well i tell you what we're in a

1:33:38

transition i think law enforcement's in a huge transition and the more and more oh absolutely

1:33:45

because of the because of the social media aspect of everything i mean we are

1:33:51

we're seeing things today that um you know you talk to a witness and five

1:33:57

minutes later they're texting what they said to the cops and

1:34:03

well he actually went on in life to change his career to be a corrections officer at the local prison

1:34:11

there you go and he has just retired from the sheriff's department so

1:34:17

even though all he went through there was never any ill will he always felt even though he was the target

1:34:24

that everybody was doing their job yeah absolutely well and thank you but anyway

1:34:31

thank you all for taking my call and thank y'all for being honest and not just putting rumors out and you're

1:34:37

staying out because that's what's so important so important well i appreciate you

1:34:42

sharing your story with us and um it it really does put things into

1:34:48

perspective so thank you so much for the call and thank you thank you chris and thank

1:34:54

you josh for what you do thank you yes ma'am thank you

1:35:03

wow that's quite the the ring go ahead caller you're on the air

1:35:12

can you hear me i can can you hear me yes

1:35:17

where are you calling from uh

1:35:25

uh sorry say that again

1:35:32

very good what can we do for you oh hi josh hi chris how you guys doing

1:35:40

doing good thank you um so i have a question um

1:35:47

they said someone said that they had saw summer

1:35:52

uh the tree trimmer guys i was wondering is that true has that been proven or was

1:35:58

that just something somebody said i i i'm under the impression that there

1:36:05

were tree trimmers um but that that there was nothing

1:36:11

substantial to to come from that uh is that your understanding chris

1:36:18

yeah my understanding is um you know there's two there's a couple of things out there that may or may not be

1:36:24

rumors one is the tree trimmer story the other one is uh there was a

1:36:30

trail cam where she was allegedly seen on the trail cam

1:36:36

um you know i don't know if those are viable leads or information or if they're

1:36:42

accurate okay um chris i have another question about

1:36:48

the delphi murders um would you take the clients off the table or would you still

1:36:54

have them on the table i'd still have them on the table yeah because i'm i'm thinking that too

1:37:02

all right um this is true crime and other stuff i just wanted to say hi and i'm a long time listener but first time

1:37:09

caller well thank you so much you know what uh the the thing with the

1:37:15

with declines is is that they did have some sort of

1:37:21

social media connection uh it would be it would be extremely hard to take them off the table until

1:37:27

you you find out for certain who did this because i mean there

1:37:33

first of all those two especially the boy uh keegan

1:37:39

uh is a danger uh he he needs he needs to be locked up

1:37:45

uh the charges that are the fathers know better either i agree i agree and and so

1:37:51

yeah i don't think that you could ever take those two off the table until the case is solved

1:37:56

and and the evidence is overwhelming towards uh

1:38:01

another suspect or suspects that's just my opinion right and i i thought from the very beginning

1:38:09

it had something to do with uh social media or something like that and everybody was always saying no no no and

1:38:16

i'm like i don't know and now it's come out that there was

1:38:21

contact with them so yeah you know it's just it's just

1:38:29

one of the it's it's it has turned into another kind of feeding frenzy the the

1:38:35

media feeding frenzy and speculation you know left and right

1:38:41

and center but um uh nonetheless another

1:38:47

another case that has captivated everybody

1:38:53

and for some yeah i mean i'm from indiana so yeah oh yeah so you're you know

1:38:59

everything you know about what's what the what is crazy about that case is that

1:39:06

you have um video of of the suspect you have audio

1:39:12

of the suspect and it's been five years that i mean

1:39:18

crimes get solved with less all the time and i'm not saying anything about the

1:39:23

police department i believe that they work this thing diligently every single day that it's there that it is their

1:39:30

number one goal to solve this and god bless the work that they're doing

1:39:36

um but it is odd in the fact that you have video of the of the main

1:39:41

suspect that they basically and chris if i'm if i'm wrong here

1:39:47

they i mean they think that whoever that bridge guy is that's the guy that's that's the theory i mean that's

1:39:53

the guy but the problem is who's the guy but you can see him walking you can't see his

1:39:59

face you can see he's wearing boots you can see he's wearing a jacket

1:40:05

sounds like he even hear his voice you know and so what a strange what a strange case and i think that's

1:40:13

that kind of separates it from a lot of other cases is the amount of information that

1:40:18

is out there yet there's still no definitive answers five years yep

1:40:24

so i i think uh it's absolutely um

1:40:30

tragic though nonetheless and um so but i thank you for your call and appreciate it yes thank you for having me all right

1:40:38

thank you thank you all right um i wanted to say uh thanks to your

1:40:43

mods to they rock they're fantastic mods aren't they um

1:40:49

we're very uh fortunate i have like i said we have some crossover mods and i'm sure that we'll be crossing over some

1:40:55

more because they're just the best and his channels grow that's how it works you know so thank

1:41:01

you so much yeah i got 100 i got hundred subscribers i'm happy well congratulations that's good yeah we

1:41:07

started with one keep going it definitely did all right all right bye-bye

1:41:13

all right chris and uh josh thanks for talking to me thank you have a great night

1:41:23

go ahead caller you're on the air hi i'm so happy i got through oh yeah me

1:41:30

too i i i guess i just have um a question for you guys do you think

1:41:37

psychics have anything to do with helping find these you know killers

1:41:44

or murderers you know so

1:41:50

i personally no i don't okay now i don't

1:41:55

maybe i just don't understand it um and i'm not really

1:42:02

it's not something that i've ever really looked into i mean i know that there is a huge psychic community medium

1:42:09

community somebody's going to get mad at me get to say a psychic's not a medium a medium's not a psychic i don't know i don't know

1:42:15

about any of that um but i've always found that there were just

1:42:21

too many rules that that was just me like oh well

1:42:27

um hey you know it's not a i can only do it on this day or this

1:42:33

time or i can only give you so much of information here i've always found that there was just

1:42:38

too many rules with it and but i don't know i mean i believe in the

1:42:44

supernatural though so who knows who knows i believe uh

1:42:50

i believe in i believe in angels and and you know

1:42:55

demons and things like that i i don't know i don't know uh chris you probably feel close to the same as me but i just

1:43:03

i couldn't tell you asking the wrong guy so i have a coffee cup

1:43:10

it's called mcrockpile

1:43:16

and i earned that coffee cup because for some reason i guess i have the personality that

1:43:22

you know the my superiors would come to me and say

1:43:28

hey guess what you get to do and i'm like okay so anyway there's a area

1:43:34

in san diego called harmony grove if you've never heard of it look it up

1:43:41

it's a it's a spiritualistic association and the

1:43:48

gal that used to run it was a woman by the name of rose marie kerr k-e-r-r

1:43:54

her husband's name was jim and he was a firefighter and she was an amazing human being

1:44:01

rosemarie one time had a case where she was asked to do a reading

1:44:08

for a family out of india louisiana

1:44:14

and while on the phone with the family she told the it was the daughter calling about her

1:44:21

mom who was missing and she said i need you to hang up the phone now

1:44:26

and immediately call the police and tell them to go to this intersection

1:44:33

and she gave the intersection and the daughter hung up the phone did

1:44:38

it called the cops the cops went down there and they had an officer just happened to be in the area

1:44:44

and lo and behold her mother's truck went by they stopped the vehicle and her mother

1:44:50

was deceased in the back of the truck and they caught the two guys

1:44:56

now what does that mean right when you're standing in front of

1:45:03

the lady that did that and then she's telling you to dig up

1:45:08

a pile of rocks uh you know and look underneath it for

1:45:14

for somebody that's why i earned the the cup hey

1:45:19

so do i believe that people have spiritual gifts absolutely

1:45:24

do i understand them no way yeah that's where i'm at too yeah and

1:45:30

and would i be a less of an investigator if i shut them off yeah probably because

1:45:37

you just don't know you just don't know and um

1:45:43

you know i'll let a little secret out here on josh's show early on in a case

1:45:50

um i talked to donna from the lori valo case she had actually

1:45:56

called me in on behalf of andy in the morphe case

1:46:01

and i asked her if she knew who rosemary kerr was and she said yeah she was one

1:46:07

of my mentors and i asked her i said are you in harmony grove and she started laughing

1:46:13

it's like what are you a psychic and i was like no i'm just asking you is this where

1:46:19

you're at and she was yeah how do you know about that and i said it's a long story but i'm very

1:46:25

familiar with you know where you're at who you're at and what you're at and now

1:46:30

do i know if these people have gifts i i have no idea

1:46:35

i have no idea do i listen you know uh

1:46:40

the old saying is you know who's the fool the fool himself or the fool who follows

1:46:46

if i don't listen then i could be in left in left case or left field

1:46:52

but if i do listen i could be in right field so the problem is sometimes

1:46:59

the individuals take information provided into the public

1:47:04

and then they turn it around and provide it into the investigation and and you can really get stuck in a lot of

1:47:11

rabbit holes so uh i've always learned to be cautious but

1:47:16

you know disciplined yeah i mean no thank you i hope that

1:47:22

answers your question i i you know like i said uh i'm not

1:47:27

i first of all i'm kind of scared of the supernatural just in general like the

1:47:32

whole you know the conjuring they have a corn dog well

1:47:38

and you don't you didn't i mean like the star wars you know what is the laser

1:47:43

if they come from the other side with a corn dog josh is like i hear you

1:47:49

i'm coming i hear you i'm coming i'm gonna i'm gonna haunt you with a corn dog

1:47:54

and uh and there's corn dog emo here come the

1:48:00

corn dog emojis chris they come blow them up there everybody lab rats some corn dogs up there for him because

1:48:06

he's seeing spirits with corn dogs yeah tonight look if if

1:48:13

a spirit shows up with a box of corn dogs we can hang out and we could talk cases

1:48:20

it's just keep the corn dogs coming but it's your magic wand

1:48:27

okay that that's an expectation now we have to see this i will i will forever

1:48:33

regret not turning my camera off while crushing those corn dogs and all

1:48:38

in the way only my dog should have been able to see um

1:48:43

but he's right i i was i was double fisting him i was playing air drums

1:48:52

and uh it was uh it was yeah you heard it gone in 60 seconds that movie was based about

1:48:58

me eating two corn dogs but um yeah i've seen a dyson work

1:49:06

i'm the dyson i'm the vacuum for corn dog you know

1:49:12

whoa i'll be honest with you i haven't had a corn dog since then

1:49:17

oh no you you need to keep that tradition alive actually that's not true i just remembered i had one the other

1:49:22

day but it it's been a while i haven't been going hard on those corn dogs they were

1:49:29

so good though and you're just jealous because you can't eat them so for that is correct and so i have no other option

1:49:36

but to slam yeah yeah you you make fun of me but uh somebody just asked for the flare and of course i give it i give you

1:49:42

the flare thank you caller so much it was a great question absolutely

1:49:49

thank you thank you have a good night guys you too you too and sorry you got caught up in that we apologize it was

1:49:55

christmas that's okay we're grateful for very entertaining thank you for being a rat elaborate

1:50:01

bye-bye bye-bye oh caller go ahead you're on the air

1:50:17

are you there caller houston we have a problem

1:50:26

i know you're there because i can hear you you just don't know that i can hear you are you eating a corn dog

1:50:33

hi can you hear me oh yeah i can can you hear me oh hi hi uh josh and chris i'm a big fan of

1:50:40

both of you guys thank you um probably me more yeah because there needs to be at least

1:50:46

another hockey reference um i live right in the middle of the montreal canadiens and the boston bruins chris

1:50:52

oh wow go no [Music] just kidding

1:51:01

just uh calling as a fan um but i did have a question for chris a while ago he

1:51:07

recommended a a book that we all should read and i and i read it and it was tremendous and turns out it's on the top

1:51:14

of every to be read list ever and i missed it somehow but it was man's um search for meaning oh yes yes

1:51:22

yes so not for you tonight but i was wondering if at any point you could

1:51:28

give us a book list more i need more reading

1:51:33

sure sure i um i'll talk to my karen and we'll put something up

1:51:38

that's uh one of my all-time favorites between that book and all your parables

1:51:45

that you share in a community page i just really appreciate your positive um outlook it's been amazing

1:51:51

thank you thank you i can only imagine josh is right with us right we love it

1:51:58

he's right with us we brought him over he's here but he was already there he's

1:52:03

just kind of tucked in the background he's real humble yeah big time

1:52:08

super humble yeah am i doing okay crystal wants to know

1:52:13

i don't know are you i hope so [Laughter]

1:52:19

see nobody ever nobody ever asks me that that's why i know that you're beloved is

1:52:25

because like um people like oh how's chris doing it's like yeah you know i stubbed my toe last

1:52:32

week but thanks for asking um but you know it's it's fun it's whatever

1:52:37

you know that's that comes with age

1:52:42

i don't i don't know if that's necessarily true i mean you think so

1:52:47

i don't know i don't let the old man in i learned that from a very good friend of mine his name is

1:52:53

john strykemyer they call him tilt and uh if you guys uh ever want a really

1:52:59

good book go read his it's it's the um sog chronicles sog chronicles but he was

1:53:06

a one of the first green berets in vietnam and um he's an amazing human being like

1:53:15

i'm just privileged to call him a friend and mary look at this here you go yeah i see it i

1:53:21

sure do what an honor gonna name a corn dog after me there you go

1:53:26

the josh dog um

1:53:32

yeah i don't know what a good name for you know what we should do we should have a poll

1:53:37

uh we'll do it on the community page we'll think of a couple names and then we can vote how's that i'm sure that

1:53:43

it's gonna be the most thoughtful and respectful name that we can think of uh that will honor me for

1:53:49

forever so sure i'm into it but a homemade corn dog sounds

1:53:54

delicious mary you're amazing sounds delicious amazing

1:54:00

um you know 7-eleven used to have the corn dogs where they would inject like cheese like

1:54:08

like um uh what is it uh it was like jalapeno cheddar cheese like

1:54:15

it was and it was like 700 calories or 800 calories for one little corn dog

1:54:24

but it was like the best somebody hung up

1:54:29

[Music] i don't know what happened we i think we lost our we lost our other caller hello

1:54:47

i was crawling through

1:54:57

is your computer or do you have some background noise on

1:55:02

yeah probably

1:55:08

hang on i'll go where i don't have how's that is this better it is better

1:55:16

okay uh i'm a fan of you josh and chris mo

1:55:22

i don't listen to a lot of the youtubers because chris is the more legitimate person so i listen to him

1:55:28

but i do have a question do you find it odd that both jose and another man died

1:55:35

within close proximity of each other well like i said i'm i'm not even 100

1:55:44

i mean i'm you know i'm 99 sure that the the information on jose is true but

1:55:51

um i don't even who's the other who's the other

1:55:57

person uh dawn's co-worker did he die in san diego running that

1:56:04

said he's the one that come up on the hill and took summer did he die

1:56:09

in san diego they said that he died and then within a

1:56:16

week of in that supposedly them saying he died that jose had passed on

1:56:23

yeah you know i'm not familiar with anybody else that had passed um uh is somebody

1:56:30

is it are you talking about jerry they said it was somebody that worked

1:56:36

with dawn i don't know it was another youtube channel that i called it when i was scrolling today on youtube so

1:56:44

yeah i may not be true now i don't think there's any grand conspiracy out there i don't think that

1:56:52

jose passing has uh anything to do with

1:56:57

the case uh i don't think any i just um

1:57:02

i just i live about 20 minutes from where summer live

1:57:08

because i live in greenville kind of thing okay gotcha

1:57:13

no i don't i don't go don't borrow john for city kingsport that's how it goes but yeah yeah i don't think that yeah i

1:57:20

truly don't have any feelings that there's somebody out there snuffing

1:57:27

i wouldn't think it is weird and it is a shock but you

1:57:33

know honestly a lot of these people that are involved in this case

1:57:39

have terrible habits they have had rough lives um

1:57:45

and you know like if somebody were to say tomorrow

1:57:50

that and i'm not saying that you know if dawn had a stroke or something that

1:57:55

wouldn't shock me in the least i mean he smokes he drinks he does drugs he's

1:58:01

late 50s um you know and and i i think that a lot of that

1:58:08

you find a lot of that in this case there's a lot of drinking and smoking and and drug doing i don't i don't know

1:58:14

what happened to jose but um uh but i know i don't think that it's

1:58:20

connected at all what about you chris well i've been following it since the day i received the amber alert and that

1:58:26

little girl never left my mind wow so i followed chris through all of

1:58:31

it and and you and i'm like chris

1:58:36

i just think canvas is behind a lot of it

1:58:41

and i think that it was an accident and they hit it

1:58:47

i mean is that still chris is that kind of your theory still i haven't left the house

1:58:54

and now yep has she you know does she come to the house was she in the house

1:59:01

i don't know but at something something went down in that environment and i think the

1:59:07

screen they heard was probably kansas according to grand mall maybe yeah

1:59:13

you're in god's country out there in tennessee and and thank you so much for your uh support of uh both josh and i

1:59:20

we're grateful well we appreciate you all and we'll

1:59:25

keep you all in our prayers thank you so much thank you for calling have a great night all right good night good night all

1:59:32

right so um let's see here we've gone two hours here we beat chris

1:59:37

up chris has beat me up and uh this'll we'll go ahead and take one

1:59:44

final call here um and uh don't worry i don't believe this will be

1:59:49

the last time so if you don't get through it's gonna be okay um

1:59:55

and maybe and chris after we take this phone call there's a couple questions that i

2:00:00

put on there that you know we'll take but um okay uh caller you're on the air go ahead

2:00:07

hello hi how are you hi good thanks i get so excited when i hear a sweet voice

2:00:13

on the other end like not somebody going hey josh you big dummy you know

2:00:18

waiting for that one but uh that was saved for chris

2:00:23

yeah exactly exactly let them have it

2:00:30

but i'm calling from northern illinois and i'm a big fan of you guys

2:00:37

um i just have an observation i want your opinion on either of you um

2:00:44

the the whole thing with summer helping grandis plant those

2:00:50

flowers i i don't think that that's true because

2:00:55

candace took pictures of everything and there's no pictures

2:01:02

of that and i think that that would be an endearing moment to take pictures of

2:01:09

where are the pictures of it yeah she seemed to document every little

2:01:14

thing that that they would do when it comes to you know when you talk about people

2:01:21

instagram it's not real life you know because you don't get to see the bad moments you only see the good ones and she

2:01:27

definitely uh posted the good ones

2:01:32

look i think that whole thing's made up i don't think that they were planting anything who plants succulents

2:01:38

um yeah and i don't know what were they trying to do spruce up their yard uh that yard was

2:01:44

that yard was worse than when chris showed up i mean and and chris when you showed up

2:01:49

how bad was it oh it was horrific it was it was horrible and you're right

2:01:55

i mean i agree with you with it it's like let's plant these cactus

2:02:01

we got a big day ahead yes yeah it's it is weird so i've i've always thought

2:02:08

and like most people that that was that was a time fill that was just something that she could say

2:02:14

that kind of stretched the time out the fact of the matter is from 2 30 to 6 35

2:02:20

nobody knows what's happened what really happened except grandis

2:02:26

candace and i'm sure the boys know a bit more i don't know what they know

2:02:31

but um you know i don't really i leave that up to

2:02:36

the officials to to sort that out with them but there was a lot of there seemed to be a

2:02:42

lot of people at home when she went missing and i don't i just i mean who yeah cactus

2:02:50

yeah right middle of summer and and she had her wash her hands i don't

2:02:57

think those kids have ever washed their hands i mean i it's probably rude to say well if they did they what they weren't

2:03:03

directed by their mother to do it probably right right um so

2:03:09

yeah anyway that's just my thought on it yeah i think that it was nothing more

2:03:14

than a a story filler i mean you get nobody wants them to say oh you know

2:03:21

candace isn't going to say you know what like from 2 30 to 3 30 i was drunk and high and and wasn't paying attention to

2:03:28

anything that's not going to go over very well with the police because if she would have said that she very well could have

2:03:33

been arrested right then and there for neglect uh similar to the big speed case where the father said

2:03:39

that he left the kids at home while he went out to to do whatever

2:03:45

on more than one occasion well the kid is missing he admits to that and they lock him up for child endangerment she

2:03:52

made sure because she's dealt with cps before her story she made sure

2:03:57

that that they weren't gonna nail her that day for something she wasn't gonna say i got i passed out

2:04:05

or i was zoning out or i had started drinking or i was off doing things i shouldn't have been doing she tried to

2:04:12

make herself seem like the perfect mother the helicopter mom walked her over to the steps blah blah blah i think

2:04:20

it's all made up and i and um i think that most

2:04:26

people feel that way just like yeah i feel that way yeah yeah absolutely yeah so it's just and i do

2:04:34

believe that she went missing that day just because there's so many people that did

2:04:39

see her i mean it is confirmed by many people that they saw her on june 15 i just saw

2:04:44

somebody in the chat say that they weren't convinced that she went missing on june 15th i guess anything's possible except there

2:04:51

would probably be about seven or eight different people that would be lying to

2:04:57

i mean if that's what they told the investigators that they're all in cahoots where they

2:05:03

say well let's all say that we saw summer that day well that would equal to a

2:05:08

grand conspiracy and i just i don't see that either i think it was an isolated incident i mean if you listen to what

2:05:14

hunter says he says flat out i think they did something with her because she went missing not that long after

2:05:21

um they dropped me off and and then so if they dropped him off say he he figures

2:05:26

around 2 2 30 well she wasn't reported missing until 6 30.

2:05:33

that four hours isn't really like it's not something somebody would say oh she went missing a short time after four

2:05:39

hours is a significant amount of time i believe that she went

2:05:45

missing much earlier in the day and that something was done with her much earlier in the day

2:05:50

um yeah it just gave him plenty of time to to do whatever they needed to do with

2:05:56

her yeah whether you know hand her off to somebody or you know bury her somewhere well see

2:06:03

that's the other accident happened the the handoff theory uh the only person they could have

2:06:08

handed her off to i mean within reason would have been dawn

2:06:14

um right you know people say oh an unknown no no no no no

2:06:19

no everybody has said this from day one and and i know people were upset with the dr phil episode or whatever

2:06:26

uh dr phil flatout said that he wasn't buying what candice was selling that she has more information

2:06:32

than what she said and he said when this case is solved you're gonna know who

2:06:38

uh did this it's gonna it's it you're gonna know them they're to be a close

2:06:44

they're going to be close to me that was just telling because

2:06:50

i know that he was i guess he was placating them so candace wouldn't walk off stage

2:06:55

but he didn't let her off the hook in my opinion you know and and so every everybody kind of feels the same way

2:07:01

that candace has much more knowledge um and if not just directly responsible

2:07:08

and i still believe that it is a hundred percent possible that don doesn't know

2:07:15

it's possible candace is not um

2:07:20

candace is fully capable of of pulling like lying like this to her

2:07:27

grave i mean she just she's fully capable of it um anybody that pulls a shotgun on a cps

2:07:33

worker you know they'll kind of do anything you know

2:07:38

she's got quite the rap sheet so um but thank you for that anybody that could you know put on the act like she

2:07:45

did with mary that night crying and crying i mean come on she deserves the academy

2:07:52

award for that well there you go with the master manipulation stuff i i

2:07:58

yeah i've said it before what's that yeah exactly and the oscar

2:08:03

goes to you know one of the ones just a dovetail into what josh just said

2:08:10

i think one of the challenges here is let's hypothesize that uh dom was at work right

2:08:16

and that his phone shows that he was there and then he comes home hey but where was he

2:08:23

there's a gap between that you know that time frame between 2 30 and 6 30

2:08:30

or 3 30 and 6 30 depending on what time frame everybody runs with

2:08:35

but either way they're within an hour of each other well you know what happens in that time frame

2:08:42

if you're in construction at that time do we know that he wasn't home one of the things

2:08:47

that's always bothered me is the statement about the boys went with dawn

2:08:52

to work and yet we have the boys at home you

2:08:58

know playing all the these video games and stuff and so that was a complete you know

2:09:03

flip-flop that that in itself and then of course we get to this

2:09:08

you know i you know just forgive them you know just don't you know don't hold grudges don't

2:09:14

you know don't don't worry about it god will do this and this and that and you know we'll see her again on the

2:09:20

resurrection i see her buried i see her in the dungeon and all that stuff not to rehash what he said again but

2:09:27

you know all of that okay where does that come from up here

2:09:32

you know how do these types of sentences get to the forefront uh when your daughter you know

2:09:39

immediately goes you know got gone and so this gap that don has created here in my

2:09:47

opinion it has what has always kept me at the house as it's a clarity of focus

2:09:54

of you know don't don't chase the things that we don't know stay with what we know and

2:10:03

this is why the significance of that statement from from candace that evening when she was

2:10:09

intoxicated i want to tell them and when you watch the

2:10:15

dr phil show again and you know they say to him well done we we think you've done nothing

2:10:22

and you just watch him you know explode with the light internally okay

2:10:28

well that's that's classic in relationship to not understanding there are two lanes

2:10:36

going here and i've always remember we've always talked about two trains right josh

2:10:41

yep we've got the summer train on one track and we've got the dawn train on the other track and at some

2:10:48

point do they cross into each other do they merge do they merge into the same station

2:10:54

and this is why jeannie and mary and all of this other

2:10:59

you know significant sa information the violence of it

2:11:05

is critical it's critical because now when they

2:11:12

when the train comes to the tunnel iecps

2:11:17

and cps says hey you're not about you're not going to talk about this your honor put a gag order on this case to talk

2:11:24

about the kids the other kids is that is that a significant piece

2:11:30

of you know summer story in my opinion absolutely because that shut pruitt down and he

2:11:38

came out and said it he says you know it's kind of a dicey scenario here where i'm dealing with now

2:11:43

attorneys on the kids side which is kind of bled over into summer's investigation

2:11:48

therefore what i think they're doing is they've stepped back and they're they're

2:11:53

taking you know a very cautious approach

2:11:58

but i i am still convinced that candace knows much more

2:12:04

than she's revealing and uh i think at some point that information is going to present

2:12:11

itself because you can't hold out forever you can't hold up forever

2:12:16

uh even they're working on her sister's case so but anyway that's just my opinion thank you

2:12:22

for listening well thank you for uh letting me call in and mary if you are

2:12:27

still listening god bless you and uh i have great respect for you

2:12:33

and your sister that's very nice yeah and zac zanza i i i do believe that don

2:12:39

knows also yeah i i just said you know i believe

2:12:45

i see i wouldn't be surprised if candace was the

2:12:51

lone person that was actively trying to cover it up but at some point

2:12:57

you would think that he would have to know that i don't know what that point is uh but

2:13:03

you know the odds of him not knowing anything it's just you know yeah they know i think they all know i

2:13:10

think so too i i just and that's why none of them are talking or like the the caller earlier

2:13:16

that was talking about uh the seven years of the man's life that was ripped apart and they found the

2:13:21

real killer you know they're not actively searching for anybody um

2:13:26

and if if she was really abducted that that's what they would be doing but uh thank you so much for calling and i

2:13:32

appreciate it yep thank you goodbye

2:13:38

all right and the objection

2:13:43

[Music] abduction thought right with don saying

2:13:50

i know she is abducted okay right well here's the elephant in the living room okay

2:13:57

share that with us

2:14:02

help us know help help me understand that because i asked him i can't tell you how many times

2:14:08

how do you know that and another thing that he would always

2:14:13

say is um well i always knew something bad was gonna

2:14:18

happen to her all right well how'd you know that well either

2:14:25

either it goes back to him having psychic abilities

2:14:31

or he saw what kind of care candace was providing his children while

2:14:39

he was at work and by the way if that's if if he really felt that

2:14:45

upset about it about about her not taking care of the kids the way that he

2:14:51

didn't see that the way that he thought was necessary uh the fact that he would just leave him

2:14:57

or leave them with her is neglect in itself and uh he's culpable of everything as

2:15:03

well um you know i mean if i came home and uh my my wife was nodding off with a

2:15:09

cigarette in her hand and you know drinking and there's kids all over the house i mean i

2:15:16

would have a serious problem with that and rightfully so i think in either way if a

2:15:22

mother came home and saw a husband doing that and it happens folks it does happen look i mean

2:15:28

you know it unfortunately it happens but you have to put your children first

2:15:35

and none of that seems to have happened in this case but anyway chris i want to

2:15:41

thank you so much for coming on and um this was a this was a awesome idea i i

2:15:49

really truly and thank you to all the callers so respectful and nice and um

2:15:55

it's fantastic we got to do it again absolutely any time any time all right chris well uh thank you so much anything

2:16:02

you want to say before you leave um no

2:16:08

to get get uh get a get a name for your corn dog

2:16:13

and i think we should get like you know davey crockett hatch

2:16:18

for your merchandise with a little corn dog hanging off the back of it like a little tail like they do in disneyland

2:16:24

in front right you know and you can call them uh you know

2:16:30

corn hats or whatever you want to call it but i think it needs to that'd be great merch so with that my

2:16:36

buddy uh just remember if it starts raining to walk between the raindrops i appreciate

2:16:41

that advice thank you i'll give it a try good night thanks chris thanks for being here see you sunday by the way i've got

2:16:47

a great show coming can't wait four o'clock uh pacific 7 eastern yeah i'm

2:16:52

hoping my buddy manny can make it he's got covet right now and uh i hope he doesn't mind me saying that but he sent

2:16:59

me a just a message a little bit ago but either way um i'll see you sunday oh we'll we'll

2:17:05

see everybody sunday night thank you rats all right aloha appreciate thank you chris be good to each other

2:17:11

well there you have it folks a great show thank you for all the it was very hard to keep up with chat while taking

2:17:18

phone calls so i apologize uh i wasn't trying to ignore the chat

2:17:23

um i know that a lot of you had had great questions and and we'll we'll try

2:17:28

to streamline uh that a little better next time where we

2:17:34

can try to incorporate that as well but uh thank you to everybody who kept trying to call in thank you to

2:17:40

everybody that did call in i'm sorry if you didn't get through we will try better next time hopefully

2:17:46

we can get a call cue or something like that so we can try to get through

2:17:52

more calls than before so thanks again for being here i

2:17:57

get all the new members subscribers super chat super stickers you guys are

2:18:02

just really awesome thank you for supporting this channel and showing up and showing love on such

2:18:08

short notice god be with everybody uh in texas and and it's just

2:18:16

heartbreaking you know hold your kids tight

2:18:21

it's just a horrible feeling you know there's nothing that i can say or

2:18:27

anything that i i want to say that will change anything um

2:18:33

it's just it you know as somebody who has children that are in school who have been put in a lockdown before

2:18:41

uh you know it's terrifying so thank you guys

2:18:47

god bless everybody thank you for being here this is the lab uh thank you again to chris mcdonough

2:18:53

we'll catch you guys next time

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you don't see any epson stuff but i have to put her

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[Music] on the side and whatever i'm gonna do what i gotta do for me and my boys and my kids

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don't say any abs and stuff there is no investigation this boy

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[Music]

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[Music] but i have to put her

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style live from the nbd production studios

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you're in the lab with your host joshua diaz there is no investigation

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there is no investigation [Music] don't say any absence now

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[Music] but i have to put her

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but i have to put her [Music] on the side

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and learn about the boys

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